.223 vs. .308

[TeamBadCompany]

isnt that what they are, aka cop killas?

[TeamBadCompany]

just pulled this off of the wikipedi page about balistics gel: Since ballistic gelatin mimics the properties of muscle tissue, it is the preferred medium for comparing the terminal performance of different expanding ammunition, such as hollow point and soft point bullets. These bullets use the hydraulic pressure of the tissue or gelatin to expand in diameter, limiting penetration and increasing the tissue damage along their path. While the Hague Convention restricts the use of such ammunition in warfare, it is commonly used by police and civilians in defensive weapons, as well as police sniper and hostage-rescue teams, where rapid disabling of the target and minimal risk of overpenetration are required to reduce collateral damage.

so it would seem that hollowpoints are at least slightly accurate and too effective to be used

[Hatch]

Wikipedia is a site that cannot be trusted as anyone can modify a post so find someplace else with that information

[Vesper]

Yea, teachers and professors will chew the hell out of you for using Wiki.

[Gambler]

Police snipers routinely engage targets at less than 200 feet. Their engagement ranges are much less than what is typical in the military. The fact is they are not as accurate, but it doesn't really matter since the military doesn't use them. They are used for home protection, because when you shoot someone you shred the hell out of them and more than likely kill them.

[Echo1 Operator]

isnt that what they are, aka cop killas?

The only people that use that term are idiots in the media or rappers. The specific bullets in question were made from hard brass and were coated in teflon to help reduce barrel wear. The teflon coating does not magically make bullets defeat body armor. Ironically, SC state law prohibits any bullet that has a teflon coating.

Quality JHP rounds are plenty accurate..likely more accurate than you can shoot the gun in the first place. Nearly every LE agency in the country has switched over to JHP rounds by now.

I personally use teflon coated 8mm rounds to penetrate people's chiclone chest rigs.

[TeamBadCompany]

I know you arent supposed to use wikipedia, and a guy i know had mentioned cop killers one time so thats the only reaso i called them that. and good thing i have real american chestrigs

[Darkside6]

Just my 2 cents: Black Hills Ammunition has been building and shipping ammo for the GWOT for several years.
Most of what they ship to the military is hollow point match. The Geneva Convention does not cover acts of terror so they can use HP ammo if they want. Also, I shoot match, and HP game loads at 600 yds in a .308 (handloads) the difference of POI is less than a tenth of an inch. Bullet design (Boat tail or non) has more to do with the POI than the nose design in my experience.

[Cody C.]

^^What he said.

[Echo1 Operator]

Just my 2 cents.

12 year olds that quote wikipedia know more than you. Hollowpoints make your gun shoot side of barn MOA.

[Darkside6]

I should know better than to post on this stuff. Sorry, my fault

[Cody C.]

12 year olds that quote wikipedia know more than you. Hollowpoints make your gun shoot side of barn MOA.

You, my good sir, are an asshole.

[SteevoLS]

The best part is if as11 put a on the end of that, it would look sarcastic.

[Echo1 Operator]

The best part is if as11 put a on the end of that, it would look sarcastic.

That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me, you know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your airport metal detectors and probably costs more than what you make in a month.

[Vesper]

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