Which M4 should I buy

[dftrent12]

As I own both I have to say the VFC is my choice. But at this point I can't say anything bad about either one.

[Dominum]

Yes, this is an old thread. However, there is still a valid discussion to be had. To that end...

Kwa if you don't plan on upgrading it too much, vfc if you do.

Kwa if you don't plan on upgrading it too much, vfc if you do.

I agree with this statement.

Truthfully, a KWA is more rugged and made for the long haul. VFCs are good and look better in my opinion but will need a few upgrades.
Neither are really Lipo ready, unless you really do want to upgrade them.
And they both are decents rifles and shoot the same

I am genuinely interested to hear how the three of you would like to back up your statements? I have owned and worked on multiple KWA and VFC M4s and I strongly disagree with you based on what parts are inside the guns, my experiences with the ones I have owned and shot, and the history of problems in the multitude of them that I have worked on and how I saw these guns perform and withstand use.

[Star_folder]

I am genuinely interested to hear how the three of you would like to back up your statements? I have owned and worked on multiple KWA and VFC M4s and I strongly disagree with you based on what parts are inside the guns, my experiences with the ones I have owned and shot, and the history of problems in the multitude of them that I have worked on and how I saw these guns perform and withstand use.

KWAs are best left unupgraded. I've seen many fail once people start trying to push more out of the system, and the stock parts are finicky, making it a bit more difficult than normal to upgrade. I don't much care for their unported piston head, it causes extra wear on the piston. The 9mm ball bearings are weak imo, I've seen several fail under stock set ups, and finding new 9mm bearings or bushings is not the easiest thing to do. I also find the extra reinforcement of the gearbox to be unnecessary. The hop up chambers are small, built specificity for their hop up rubber, and makes it difficult to put in thicker rubbers. Now, while it's a good rubber, you can put in any after market buckings if you would rather have something for some other purpose.

With the VFCs, I've started to notice that their pistons are rather weak, and will eventually fail, something I have yet to see in KWAs, however, the motors in VFC guns are much stronger. The VFC gearbox is also much more accepting of aftermarket parts than the KWA gearbox is. Meaning it's much easier to upgrade if something breaks.

To be honest though, the more I work on high end guns, the less I like them, even though everything fits real nice, and looks really good, they inevitably all have some sort of critical problem that turns me away from them.

[the hot tuna]

From what I've researched, VFC has cosmetic appeal and is for the most part reliable. VFC and KWA are both "High End", so I would go with the VFC solely based on looks. Call me shallow I guess.

All AEG's will fail eventually, high end guns typically last a little longer until that time comes.


Your trusted chairsofter, Holt.

[specter]

Which is the better buy?

*KWA Full Metal M4A1 2GX Airsoft Gun

*VFC Full Metal M4 ( E Series ) Airsoft Gun


Needs to be
*Reliable
*Durable
*lipo ready
*able to achieve very accurate assault rifle with minimal mods

vfc m4. i shot vespers. sorry vesper. a guy handed it to me and i couldn't resist. it's a solid gun, decent rof,and shoots extremely straight and far. it is incredible.

[Star_folder]

vfc m4. i shot vespers. sorry vesper. a guy handed it to me and i couldn't resist. it's a solid gun, decent rof,and shoots extremely straight and far. it is incredible.

Well, under those standards, the KWA is the exact same, high rate of fire, shoots lasers, full metal. They are both high end guns, stock they preform just fine. Like I've said, if Nabor wants to get a gun, and never have to upgrade it, get the KWA, if he ever has plans to upgrade the gun, get the VFC.

[specter]

meh.

[Dominum]

Well Star, now I don't see where we disagree LOL. You said you'd go with the VFC if you do plan on upgrading it much (I agree there), but that you'd go with the KWA if you do not plan on upgrading it (there I do not). Your explanation seemed more like the latter wasn't true, which I do agree with. I have seen a lot more stock KWA failures sooner than I have seen stock VFC failures. In fact I have NEVER seen a VFC fail except after a long time or undue duress. I see KWAs break parts stock and relatively new all the time, even coming broken out of the box sometimes. That doesn't mean I am saying KWA is not a great manufacturer, but it does mean I am saying that VFC is a better manufacturer. Anecdotally, I have only seen VFC pistons show weakness on a high torque motor with low(er) torque gears and a decent battery. This is because they have no lateral reinforcement on the teeth and with that setup the inital pressure and speed with which the sector gear catches the last tooth on the piston can eventually rip it off. KWA pistons are a lot less likely to have that specific problem, but that doesn't happen unless you mismatch parts in a VFC. Besides, I have seen at least a couple back teeth ripped off KWA pistons, and I've seen a lot of KWA pistons teeth in the midsection ground down to almost nothing.