What rental guns are used, and what is the life expentency?

[MarksInnerDemon]

Ok so I am in Kuwait at the very first on ONLY airsoft field. They run airsoft guns, RAM (10mm powder ball) but the owner Rami is shopping around to go into Airsoft rentals. The issues he is having are GBB which he understands and likes the most are very prone to being beaten up. He wants a low-cost running gun like a standard AEG that is durable enough to play. The cost for quality isn't a issue, but Classic Army says there sports line(doesn't that mean cheaper ones?) Airsoft guns run 8000-10000 rounds. Which seems low and not economical. After that point all the gears were recommended to be replaced.

My question to you guys is what have you seen used as rentals and do you know any details on rental experiences?

[Bishop]

Look at the JG and Cyma models. The JG's are built like trucks.

[Dominum]

If you want a cheap stock gun that will run for tens of thousands of rounds without breaking, buy VFC M4 E series AEGs. You can get them for $240 and they even have nice metal externals that withstand a beating. Now, I don't know what you are talking about using 10mm powder rnds, but marking rounds gunk stuff up and mean a lot of maintenance. Additionally, these AEGs run 6mm BBs like just about everything else in the world...

[Star_folder]

Look at the JG and Cyma models. The JG's are built like trucks.

I support this, JG and Cyma make awesome guns for the price, and they will run forever. Many of the guns we have are JG or Cyma, haven't been touched internally, most have breached 100,000rnds, and all are several years old.

[Dominum]

...except for when you get a lemon. Granted, lemon rates are much lower than they used to be, however they are still higher than brands with better QA. Also, though they will run a very long time on stock ROF batteries, they have plastic bodies that WILL be damaged by renters, who are almost never gentle. External damage is actually a larger risk than internal damage from renters due to the fact that they will usually be trying not to waist ammo, and even if they spam long bursts the stock battery ROF is low enough to negate it mostly, meaning internal damage will largely be from normal wear and tear. However, externals will be beaten, dropped, and torqued at odd angles by people who don't even know how to correctly hold a gun. Therefore, saving money buying a plastic gun you will be constantly replacing external parts on makes a lot less sense then buying a rock solid gun up front. This is especially true if you field has a lot of hard surfaces, as it's one thing to drop a gun on the grass, and another to smack it against a cinder block wall or concrete floor.

[Star_folder]

Or a tree, or falling onto hard ground. I know, they are still tough, and still worth the price. I guess I just have bad experiences with VFCs, I've never seen a vfc outlast a JG or a Cyma gun. The VFC's stock pistons are almost on the Systema level of crappiness, and always fail, usually within 40k rounds from what I've seen. The JG/cyma pistons I love and use last a life time.

Externally, they are fine. Yes they are plastic, but in my experience, JG makes their guns well enough that unless the owner specifically tries to destroy the gun, they will be fine, and will live through most anything that people will throw at them. I've only ever had to replace the receiver on one JG m4 that we have, and that person fell onto a log and used the M4 to stop his fall. The receiver was cracked, but the gun still preformed as well as ever. Especially in models such as the M4 S-Systems, where the rails are metal, and line the gun, they are solid as tanks, regardless of the plastic.

Secondly, they are loaners, you should expect people to beat them up. Why would you spend the extra on nicer externals when you know they will be destroyed by the users? The cheap, durable, and forgiving plastic of JG guns negates the regret of seeing those nice trades destroyed after sliding along gravel.

Thirdly, I'd like to point out that JG and Cyma both offer guns with metal externals, and both are cheaper than VFC's E-series of guns. Then you'll have those tank-like internals with metal externals, and it's still cheaper than the VFC E-series.

[Dominum]

I haven't had the same luck with CYMA and JG as I have had with VFC. Granted, their metal bodied AEGs are still cheaper than VFC's. The only times I've ever seen VFC pistons fail at all is when they are run at high ROFs, and they still lasted a long time. I very much disagree about their pistons being comparable to Systema polycarb ones in durability.

[Star_folder]

The plastic is fine on them, unlike the Systema. And that's true, it may have been a little far comparing them to systema. At least the VFC pistons actually last a fair amount of time.

I've still replaced many VFC pistons, all of which the metal tooth at the front of the piston broke. Some were under higher rates of fire, most were under normal 9.6v loads.

[dftrent12]

For my vote I would say JG/CYMA over VFC just because of the price. I love my VFC's but they are a bit higher end IMO. Most JG/CYMA guns will run fine, while probably not at the same performance as a VFC, for a good while as long as they are treated right, just like all airsoft guns. But my main point in all this is while VFC will perform better, IMO, than JG/CYMA, it comes at a price. So while you want a rental gun to perform well it doesn't have to be amazing. If anything, assuming the field will have a store, it will motivate the newer players to want to buy a gun that is performing the same as the experienced players on the field running their own guns.

[BigMan23]

I normally lurk rather than post here, but I feel I most post my experience. I ran my JG m4 for 4 years, playing 3+ times per month, and averaging 10k rounds per outing. I never cleaned the outside of the gun, much less the inside, and it ran problem free. As a matter of fact, Dominum can attest to the level of grime that was inside the barrel and internals...but boy did it shoot great. I believe Tanker had a similar experience with his Echo 1. I do agree though, VFC are fantastic rifles, and relatively problem free...I've had similar luck with KWA's. That's just my input, take it for what it's worth.

[Dominum]

Absolutely, I never said that you won't find some Chiclones that will refuse to break! I think your M4 specifically is one of the most used guns I have ever seen survive so long without a failure. I only wish I could have that luck with all of my guns .