Operation GNS: Georgia vs. North Carolina vs. South Carolina

[jsts ghost]

That is Marpats area! I have a strong feeling that I am not "cared for" but most of the reps. So I leave that with someone that they would listen too.

I do the public relations with GA groups. He does the public relations with AOSC reps.

[fallout11]

Ghost is a good man and I wholeheartedly support him and his efforts in this regard.
Ghost, let me know if there is anything I can help you with.

[marpat96]

Good, Good. Now, how many AOSC reps have you talked to about this?

So far just Dom, I will find time to contact everyone else later in the week.

[marpat96]

Don't forget that GA functions differently than SC, they've got several "pockets" of airsofters, not just Harrel's group. Will other reps from these different parts of the state be brought into the discussion? or just the two as spoken before? I'll support it, because I like big games. But I want to make sure that everything is properly planned to maximize GA attendance.

Dusty Gonzalez, Jordan Ridgeway, Deon Christopher Smith, Spencer's gang, SSAirsoft(who is supported by a LARGE gathering and crowd and area), the fields in GA (Elite OPs for example) run the state and can be all contacted. The first two are well known GA commanders during SOCO and friends of mine, whom we have played many games with in Bowman, GA. The Nightstalkers with Andy and those folks too are very popular as well as Team Black Sunset, a female team that is loved by GA. All this unites the various groups in GA, by contacting them, we bring them together. The Atlanta Area will not be as hard as say upper GA, as upper GA is more spread out, but this will take time. I trust Ghost with handling the GA crowd, he knows them well. All of the AOSC reps know myself, and have good reputation with me. This is in the works, but I am glad that we are doing it now, and not never.

[Dominum]

The SC vs GA game at the Airfarm was a great success, we had 180 Georgians and 140 South Carolinians and the entire game was planned by AOSC Reps and leaders in GA working together, as well as a few experienced SC and GA players. We worked on it for a few months and Garrett, the Host and the guy that did most of the legwork, did a great job as did everyone who helped plan and spread the word. I had a wonderful time and a lot of SC and GA players got to meet each other and play together. Unfortunately a while later Airdog decided they would host a game without talking to anyone else, Georgian or South Carolinian, and advertise it as the second SC vs GA game. Unfortunately the game was run awfully and was generally a disaster (I was there, this isn't hearsay on my part, that was the ONLY game I have EVER left early {in more than 100 games, not counting pickup games}, and for good reason) and it did a great deal of damage to the relations between both states. People still seem to be under the impression that it was the second SC vs GA game, which it was not. Let me reiterate, there is no reason for the SOCO game to reflect poorly on the majority of GA, because most of GA had absolutely nothing to do with it and were just as surprised as everyone in SC when they unilaterally announced the game.

All that being said, I think a second SC vs GA game would be great. I would be happy to assist with planning and/or hosting. Being I played last time, I have no problem admining this one. I think we aught to go about it in a similar manner to the first one, wherein we make a private subforum for any and all leaders of various parts of the Georgian airsoft community to corroborate with us on planning. I do have to point out once again that unless the game is in SC the attendance is going to be heavily skewed. South Carolina has an active player base of about two hundred airsofters, whereas Georgia has over a thousand.

[Dominum]

An idea I had a while back, and would really like to try someday, is a GA vs NC game in SC. Sounds weird, but it makes sense mathematically. The last time we had an SC vs NC game was a while ago, and the turnout from NC outnumbered SC, just like GA outnumbered us. While we have an active population of only around 200, 50 of which might travel out of state, both NC and GA have active populations above 1000, with maybe 200 that would travel. Every time a major out of state game involving SC vs anybody has been tried, we showed up with 50 or less. We simply have a smaller population, which also means a smaller population that is capable of traveling (due to money or age). Even in state, we are outnumbered and beaten in state vs state games. However, GA and NC both have a much larger number of players that can travel out of state to play, and we have a few fields in SC that are, for the most part, equidistant. If NC and GA were to try a state vs state game, it would be impractical for them to do it in either of their states, but in SC it would be ideal. SC players could either divide themselves between the two as balancers, or act as a third faction that could change sides, partially or wholly, for balance issues. AOSC Reps, as far as I know, aren't partial to either, most of us have played (and play with often, since both NC and GA players frequent our games) with many airsofters from both states. We could work with representatives of NC and GA to agree on a ruleset and gameplay mechanics that everyone is OK with, and have the first ever NC vs GA game. If everyone worked together, it could be bigger than TDC (which is, to date, the largest game in SC and the largest showing of SC airsofters) and two states with roughly equal player bases would get to duke it out and see who comes out on top. I wrote out a scenario for this about a year ago, based on RF, though that field may not be the best option. Anyway, I just wanted to throw this out there because this reminded me of it.

[Felix]

Sounds good. Could we do that for this game as well? States War?

[Star_folder]

While we're at it, we should just gather the south, and contact our northern brothers, and have a Union vs Confederate fight all over again!

But no, seriously, NC vs GA sounds like a great plan, and would really help with SC's smaller player count. I think that if something of that nature happened, SC's players would just be balancers, not a 3rd faction. With the possibility of 200 GA, 200 NC, and 100 SC, that'd be too large of a thrid faction to be flipping back and forth between teams.

[Felix]

Hell, why not a 3 faction game? Alpha v Bravo v Charlie?

A/B are fighting for land and resources where Charlie owns the land being fought over as well as resources. Therefore A/B is coming from all sides as well as fighting each other, with Charlie bunkered in the middle maintaining their control of the good and area. Would make sense and may be one hell of a game.

[CLERIC]

I will do my best to help in any way needed. The Ga vs Nc is a intriguing idea . And I hear the SQA field being mentioned a lot , but is the field really big enough for a 300 person game ? How bout the parking and camping ? Plus this is a great field but at the present lacks structures or buildings. Plus has anyone even asked them if they were willing to host a game of this magnitude ? That really leaves the Airfarm , but have we rode that horse to death ? But like I said At first , I am all for it and will help wherever I'm needed !

[fallout11]

The only problem with 3 faction games, historically, is that they either:
A) Quickly devolve into a 2 on 1 situation, or.....
B) No one knows who is allied with who at any given time, leading back to A.

Dominum's suggestion reminds me that Florida has an annual "North Vs. South" game, where those from the Northern half of the state drive down to do battle with those from the Southern half of the state. It is both successful and well liked. Could simply divide up the SC players much the same way and keep it a 2 faction game.

Another option is to do what they did with Starcraft (one of the most successful 3-faction games ever), and somehow develop rules that made the 3 factions fundamentally different, with inherent strengths and weaknesses. We did this successfully (twice) many years ago with a series of 'Aliens vs. Predators vs. Marines' scenario paintball games, but needless to say it might not fly and would involve extra work on the part of the planning staff, as well as complicating things for those who never bother to read/know/understand the rules at events (sadly there are always some).

[marpat96]

This thread is something else..........
I'm down with the idea of NC GA game in SC. I'll post more later.

[jsts ghost]

Three faction is only done, well, when there is no alliance. But at least Marpats did get this ball rolling. Good job, Marpats! Good job!

[Mr. Marauder]

To echo previous posts, triple faction setups tend to devolve into chaos, and don't develop well. That said, any ideas to work on a state v state, or even a triple faction setup, I'll gladly help assist anyway needed. A break in routine will be good for everyone.

[Felix]

Triple factions go south when:

A) Teams are too small
B) Teams are lead horribly
C) Teams can be bought out.

What I suggested was that we have SC/GA/NC all fighting on their own separate faction. Therefore:

A) Each team is comprised of each states traveling (or home in SC cases) teams, which tend to be a little bit larger.
1) A low estimate of each team would be about 100 PER team, if each state is well included in planning.
2) Honor would be hard to keep in check, but with traveling teams normally are a little more honor bound. Referees from each state could (should) be elected for roaming the field and so forth.
B) Teams wouldn't have some last minute picked leader like most games, the leaders would be invited/asked by the planning group until the team's Command Unit is settled and ready for game day, before the game is announced (At least CO/XO)
1) This would leave the leaders to get people pumped for their state and lead honorably.
2) This would make CO's more inclined to make this a fun game for everyone instead of just winning at all costs.
C) Its State V State V State, no one state can be bought or bartered with. The objective is to beat the other two teams, as well as protecting yourself. There is no reason to team up.
1) To further prevent this, talk to the CO/XO of each team and make sure they know they shouldn't do this.

/Rant


Now thinking about it, Redfox would be a good option, only if we could get the ENTIRE field. Most people in the AOSC haven't played the full extension..