OP: SOCO

[GREEN NINJA]

guys i have said my piece
the things you think you know and what i saw and heard are two different things.
have fun in sc
we had fun on sunday and it made up for saterday
why?
because the problems went home and the players stayed.
i tried to make this game fair
sc lost there spy
i did not use mine
sc had tanks
i said use them,its not you fault i don't have them
it started with our players are young
went to cheating
went to no players on the field
and ended with its a safety issue
if we had truly had safety issues they should have been first

You Still dont get bro, airsoft in sc isnt based on winning thats why we dont have these issues, u keep on with this winning and like sc was trying to make excusses for not winning???
Read and think, our LAST concern was who won, read the rest of my comments and maybe you will get it.

And we will certianly have fun PLAYING airsoft in SC cause thats what we are about friends n fun. You guys stay down there and WIN by yourselves. We have over 2200 members last thing we need is to be infected with negitivity, dishonor, danger,and theft for the purpose of winning.

[atl]

Somehow I think this is going to be last sc vs. Georgia game for a long time.

[cycobob]

man you are probably a great guy
you would probably like me
we would probably have a great time playing airsoft together
the trouble started with you co getting flustered.
its not the players
you guys keep saying that ga cheated
i got so much crap about sc cheating that my ears started bleeding
but in the end it was sc leadership screaming ga cheaters and it echoed thru the ranks
it was about winning with you command.as soon as you guys ran into trouble then all the issues came up.
do you guys want me to share two main things that the sc players did to cheat?
i have not shared this with you guys .

[Romba]

Yes. Please share.

[Mr. Marauder]

You keep throwing these generic accusations at SC command, but you actually have no idea how SC command staff handled the situation. Zoobie wasn't even slightly concerned about the integrity (or lack thereof) of the GA players. He continued to command, rally, and organize the troops, and was excellent in his position as XO. When there were safety issues stemming from GA's gameplay, he forwarded his concerns onto Mojo or the admins, and kept on playing. Myself, as 1st platoon leader, I didn't go around whining about hit calling, and when safety issues arose, I addressed them and went back to fighting. The SC command staff was largely responsible for motivating numerous players to keep playing when they wanted to call it quits and leave.
As far as the night game goes, I can not see one valid reason to continue playing when hit calling becomes a major issue, and players are getting lit up on full auto from close range. At that point, it's not a game anymore, and safety trumps gameplay.

And lastly, there's no use to denying claims of no hit calling, MED violations, or blatant safety violations. There were numerous witnesses of said dishonorable acts. SC was not without fault, I will not dispute this, but when you have GA players playing with SC saying things to the tune of, "I'm ashamed of how our state is playing. We're not all bad players", surely you have an issue.

[stuckmojo]

i didnt get flustered at any point in the game. and at no time did sc leadership scream ga cheaters i dont know where you are getting this from but let me say this before this gets to out of hand. this weekend was about having fun and we did that. if i could go back in time and repeat this weekend then i would. my only regret is that i wasnt able to stay on sunday. i dont want to see this thing get out of hand and the flaming needs to stop

[Gambler]

Danny is 100% correct. The flaming needs to stop or this thread will be locked.

[Romba]

as soon as things changed in our favor all we heard was cheating cheating cheating.
not from sc players but from sc command
ga did not win this game.sc command lost it.

i saw a great game from players and a poor game from command.

very,very disappointed in the sc command.

Would you back the hell off SC command?! They did a great job motivating us when we all wanted to leave. Where do you think they get the concerns? THE PLAYERS. So would you quit saying our command was whining about lack of players, etc.

admin was fair

No one said admin wasn't. We said they had a complete disregard for safety. And they did.

i also had a guy come up with a bloody nose.he said "sc shot me close"no crying just left it at that.one came up with blood on his face same thing.

Sharing injuries? We had a guy with more than 20 quarter-ish sized welts on his leg from Georgia shoting under MED.
This isn't flaming just responding to accusations.

[cycobob]

sc players moving parts of the bunkers to move up to base one
hiding and moving the flag at your forward respawn to keep it safe
and a lot of little stuff that happens in airsoft my biggest complaint has to be the disrespect
to airdog and gunner.if you did not like the game look inward before you look outward!
its a blame game
i for one will sit out any further games between our states
i think the next needs to be ga/al or ga/tn
keep the aosc out of it and just let the great sc players i met this weekend play for the side they like
and as far as sc being left out of planning
some of the asoc was contacted last year about the plans for this game,but do not expect to have them share that with the rest of you.it will be said its a ga lie and that we are cheaters.
and i am trying to be nice and not nut up about all the crap that a few of you are saying about the ga players not having
played with honor.thats bs and insulting
shows how a few of you guys really are
as for safety that is always a big concern and to state the admins don't care is childishness
they pay the insurance,they run the risk!
as far as the things stolen from your camp,that is truly sad.you can't judge a group by the actions of a thief
you also assume that it was a ga player,that is wrong.we don't know who did it.don't know if it was even a airsoft player.
how much was taken?if it was a ga player would it have been enough to see them packing it thru the woods to our side of the field?or did they just walk over to there vehicle and put the stuff in it and return to sc?or did they carry it over to the sand bar?or did they get back in there boat and go home?
it was also said that it was all about money.not true
it is a business,so you must profit from you work.but the money grubbers at airdog and battlzone work full time jobs
and do this on the side to move our sport forward.shame on them(shame on you)
i have seen a few post that the field was not up to par.can you say woodland?
lets get this strait
the game in my eyes ended at dinner.the rest of saterday was crap
sunday ga and sc played airsoft.they had a real commander and we all had fun.
ask ghost he can tell you.
sc players know that my posts are not to all of you,just a few who need to justify what happened anyway they can.
you guys are great and thank you for coming to ga.
i am sure that all of us had some hit calling issues,it is sad but thats a flaw in airsoft
i am also sure that most of the hit calling was unfounded.if i shoot thru a bush did my bbs not ricochet off of that bush if they hit any part of it?
if a player can hit me does that mean i can hit him?NO
lets not dwell on what happened,lets learn from it.
for all who question players honor--look to your self first.
many players know me,i am known for when in doubt call yourself out.
i like to think i played fair(i truly hope i did and if not i am truly sorry)
i have tried not to question the honor of sc players(if i have called you dis-honest i am sorry)
this is a child's game played by men.but if we play like children let us act like men.

[Avenger]

I'm SO glad I didn't come to this game.

If half the things here are true, i'm disgusted by Georgia.

I still congratulate Stuck for all his effort though.

[stuckmojo]

i think that i need to jump in and say something here: first of all i dont want anybody to think that the ga commander was dishonorable he was honorable and at no time did i say he wasnt. bobby was in contact with me several times before the game and did the following things: 1. allowed us to still bring our tanks even though he had none. 2. recommended that base blows be put off in the night game so that myself and him could get out with our troops and play and have fun. 3. did away with his spie when i did not have one. he wanted this game to be a success and for everybody to have fun. now with that being said i do disagree with a couple of things he has said on here such as there are a few sc players that need to justify what happened and attacking our command staff. im sure its a matter of a point of view from the eye of the beholder. i havnt one time said anything negative about the ga command staff and i think that attacking a teams command staff i wrong but then thats my opion and i dont want there to be any hard feelings. this game was fun and i think all players had a good time

[Mr. Marauder]

I will say this, regardless of what happened, I had a great time. I had the fortune of leading some great players into battle, like the Ironfox & Black Poison teams to name a few. The game was not without its aggravating moments, but I had a good time. I applaud Mojo for working his ass off during the weeks following up to the game and during the game to ensure everyone had fun. Being a CO of such a large number of players is no easy task.

As for me, commanding 1st Platoon became difficult when communication broke down, but I'd like to state for the record, it was a large portion of 1st Platoon that captured GA's forward respawn flag, stopped a GA team from mobilizing with distillery parts, and pushed toward GA's HQ for a base blow. Granted, all this took place mere moments after the game was ended early, but we were on the fast track to inflicting damage.

[hardwired]

The only issue that any SC player had for the day was "Disrespect for Safety".
All the other petty things do not matter, winning or loosing to us was not our objective. We came out to have fun. Both sides commanders did a great job and our Commanders spoke the voice of their players. We rather enjoyed being over run and surrounded at our HQ it was a challenging. None of our guys complained about that but yet got pumped about it.

These are some of the issues why the game was called:
1. You don't shoot other players with Rocket Launchers.
2. You don't run around on the field with out eye pro
3. You don't jump in front of a vehicle
4. You don't Shoot at civilian vehicles
5. You don't shoot some one with a 500+ fps gun with in 10 feet (that is why there is SAFETY kills)
6. You don't blind fire
7. You don't go in to some one ells camp and steal
8. You don't go full auto at night, your depth perception is off.
9. You don't go into a building with a Gun with a 20+ MED and open full auto
10. ect.....

The list can go on. coming home with welts is normal, coming home seriously injured isn't!

[GREEN NINJA]

At this point it does not matter, the truth is told by reality regardless of the sentence fragments anyone may sputter out. SC has games regularly and rarely has issues like this. There will always be one or or two guys who have honor issues but never has an AOSC game been ruined by safety or hit calling problems.

Talk about looking inward is correct, if your own state is broken into multiple groups BECAUSE you have honor and social issues then you probably shouldnt play any other state until u can work things out locally. Especially simple things like fps and meds that play role in safety. This is the reason SC older and more exp. teams didnt show because of things like that.

Its strange to say say things like maybe next one should be GA vs. tN or something like that cause it obviously implies we were the problem for the event issues. Well if you have those extreme versions of the problem locally and we dont have those problems period then you may need to check your logic.

I will say one last thing, i love airsoft and what it can do for everyone who needs an outlet. I have said fun and friends is the most important thing and this is perpetuated by honor, safety, kindness, and positivity. I do apologize for the negitiivity about the game and have never been negitive about any event but if I am not honest or stay quiet while my commrades are treated as such I would not be doing my job as REP. Especially when it comes to safety.

I want everyone to realize THIS WAS NOT AN AOSC EVENT AND HAD NOTHING ORGANIZED WITH AN ACTUAL AOSC REPRESENTIVE.

[jsts ghost]

This is posted up on both AOSC and MAA! I will not hide what I am about to say. And what I say, is how i feel.

I HAD A FREAKIN GREAT TIME!!! It was a great game, on a great field.
What everyone does not quite understand is that a few bad apples DID ruin the bunch on Saturday and Saturday night game. But guess what? If it was that bad, then why did I have over 50 SC players and 70 GA players on Sunday? And if it was just an horrible mess, cheating and just massive rule issues, why was there not one issue on Sunday?
I will tell you;
One: Snafu! Get big boy pants on, have fun with others. Show our young players how to be honorable even when all hell is coming around you. Life is not fair, but to show people that you are wanting to be honorable yet complain about all the faults of others, show you have not looked at your own soul.
Two: Have fun! I like many of you all out there spent money and A LOT of time for this event! For what, to have a few players to piss it all away for lack of honor. NO! I did this, loss time with my family, pull away from the kids at Battlecats that look up to me and have developed in to great young kids, and alot of calls, because I was going to have fun. I made sure that my group got there fix in.
Three: Those that remained want to truely have fun! No out to prove they are the best but that they truely mattered to the game. I am not faulting for those that left early because of time restriction, family issues, no lodgings, injurys, or prior plans. Those I truely thank you for coming out.
The ones who left because they got their fellings hurt. There is no excuse. Those, teams on both GA and SC, went in to this game with prijudce and blinders on. YOU CAUSE THE BAD DAY ON SATURDAY! Those players were not missed on Sunday!!

Now this blaming of what went wrong will go on. That will not change! I am not a soldier any more. I don't train as one for over 11 years. Not one player under the age of 18, that was out there, has seen a shot fired in anger. So what thoughts do you think they see when the older leadership complain and point fingers at each other. How do you think we can get those younger players to get from infront of the TV, when they saw piss poor sportmanship, and now the blame game.

I said this once before and I will say this again. This is a hobby. Not training for war. Not a money making event. If you cannot lead and show the kids what sportsmanship is, GO TAKE UP KNITTING AT THE YMCA!

I was hoping to hear of stories of battles, how someone crapped their pants when they found out one player holding off 15-20 players. But no! I see bad sportmanship during and now after the game, on this two forums.

It is what you do with the oranges, when you get them, to show what kind of person you are.

I will see you out on the field and I will not walk around with blinders. Life is too short to not have fun, teach the young, and live as a possitive example.

If you want to talk to me about my views, possitive or negitive, pm me. But remember, the young are reading everyword that you are posting. They do look up to you as leaders. So please choose your words carefully.

Ghost