Triggertyme March 27th

[Scarcraig]

Had a good time little unorganized. Just wanted to post here if you come out to These Events Do not take goggles off ever, Also if your in a respawn area that other team doesnt know about keep your kill rags on till your back in game. Also in respawn area goggles must stay on also. Other than being cussed out a few times for telling people to keep goggles on and shooting people in an unmarked spawn location it was a good warmup for other games. Lets try and be safe i dont want somone losing an eye and ruining airsoft for everyone else.

Thank you,
Team Scar
Craig Frazier
Solarist34@gmail.com

[enigma_soldat]

I am reposting this from the scairsoft forum.

Hello all,

First I want to say that I know this past Saturday at TriggerTyme was an unofficial (to my knowledge), unaffiliated, casual get-together and with that said I just to make some observations for the betterment of the airsoft community in this area.

Observation #1
"WEAR YOUR EYE PROTECTION ON THE FIELD!"

I see that people have a bad habit of adjusting and taking off eye protection before a game starts while we are waiting in the 'starting area'. This is a bad idea not only because an accidental discharge could occur from a fellow airsofter but because we have paintballers playing around us (at TriggerTyme) and some of the fields don't have proper netting. This past Saturday a whole group of 'dead men' were hanging around the speedball field and one individual got hit by a paintball that went out of bounds into our group.
The next point is do not under any circumstances take off your eye protection during a game. I saw two very disturbing instances were one person was sitting with a dead flag on in the middle of a battle with plastic BB's flying around and his eye protection was on his forehead. Last time I checked, your eyes are located on your face, not your forehead. The second instance was group that was waiting to respawn, who were ambushed, and some of the individuals had taken off their safety goggles.
Final point, when someone yells at you to put your glasses/goggles on please don't get an attitude and start cussing back: Rather, put your glasses/goggles on!

Observation #2
"If your dead, wear a red-dead flag or put your hands up"

I mentioned that a group that was waiting to respawn was ambushed and of course some tempers flared and insults ensued. The confusion was caused because this group of individuals were standing in the woods, guns in hand and at the ready, without any red-flags or any other indication that they were out of the game. To make matters worse some of these individuals were also not wearing eye-protection and I'm really glad that there were no injuries. Even if a few of these individuals had their red-flags on they were not very obvious so please just be aware that from a long distance you look like a target when your standing around holding a gun. You may think you look cool by tying your red flag around your head in some sweatband fashion and putting your camo cap on over it but other people have a hard time seeing that from a distance. If you want to hold your gun try putting a red flag on the tip of your gun so we know your dead. Hands on your head will also indicate your deceased status just as well.

Observation #3
"Make visual indication that you are hit"

Airsoft guns right next to your ear blasting at full-auto are a bit louder than you meekly yelling "I'm hit" over and over. Please try waving your arms rather than getting angry and cussing loudly just because you got hit a few times. I have been on the receiving end of an ambush and I know that getting hit repeatedly isn't fun but some people get trigger happy and keep shooting until you make an indication you are hit (probably due to cheaters in the past). Also please realize that if your getting ambushed by a group then you are being hit by more than one person not just one person shooting you over and over so just use some common sense and don't get angry that you got hit a few times. This is all personal opinion but you don't have to stand there getting angry because your getting hit so much you could wave your arms around or jump to the ground or something. Either way, suck it up it happens sometimes.

In closing I want to say that overall Saturday was a bit disorganized and the game scenarios we were playing didn't work out well for the amount of field space we were allocated. As said before, the group that was ambushed during respawn happened because respawn was in a very bad location. You can't expect a game to go perfectly but I think a bit more effort should have gone into putting the logistics of the games together.

In the interest of full disclosure I want to apologize to the person that I snuck up behind and shot point blank. That was a very bad decision that partly came from too much adrenaline and also from many years of bunkering people in speedball (paintball). However that doesn't excuse the action and I'm sorry for setting a bad example. So:

Observation #4
"Use safety kills"

And don't be a jerk like me  grin But no, seriously, sorry about that.

In conclusion I just want to say to everyone who is playing or organizing to bear in mind that everytime we play we are representing airsoft to the owners of the field and to the other gamers that are there. I enjoy this sport and would like to see more interest but we have to get our collective 'stuff' together and put on a better show than this and be more concerned and diligent about safety. I heard several complaints about people thinking guns were shooting too hot yet no one bothered to chrono in everyone or anyone. This should not happen, period.

[Gambler]

OK a few things

1.  Eyepro is mandatory on the field at ALL times.  There is NO reason for anyone to take off their eyepro
2.  There is no excuse for not having a dead rag.  If you can get a gun, ammo, and camo, then you can get a red rag.
3.  If you shooting anyone point blank, then your gun better be shooting under 340 fps.  If it's shooting over that then you have a 20 ft min engagement.  People need to take a look at Rule #7 again and memorize it.  Higher fps limits not only have semi only restrictions, but tougher MEDs, if you want to assault a structure you better have a sidearm or a secondary weapon.

Rule #7:    The following is a list of minimum engagement rules. A minimum engagement distance is the closest you can get to another player and fire upon them.

With .20 gram BB's:

FPS                    Minimum Engagement                    Fire Selection

450-600            100 feet                                          Semi or bolt action only

400-449            50 feet                                            Semi or bolt action only

341-399            20 feet                                            Full auto

0-340                None                                              Full auto

[enigma_soldat]

Thanks for the reply and posting the MED chart.

Fortunately my gun is under 340 FPS but I still mentioned it because we did not chrono weapons and for any new people out there who many not know what their gun is shooting I was setting a bad example (IMO).

I want to also mention that at a small pick-up style game such as this we had teams that had different styles of camo on. I know effort was made to keep teams as different looking as possible but we had some people get upset because of friendly fire. We need to keep our egos/attitude in check and remember that there are new players out there and being rude to someone because of FF when your camo doesn't match the team is just bad form.

[Jeremy314]

my question is how did you get onto the field without chronoing your gun? I've heard this several times from the last couple of games, and someone needs to take a look into this before someone gets really hurt.

[SteevoLS]

It was an unsanctioned game. Chrono and rules are entirely up to the host of the game.

For a sanctioned game, however, there should always be a chrono present.

[enigma_soldat]

I think its also due to an unfortunate field setup where you can enter the 'battle area' via multiple routes and this allows people to bypass chrono'ing and possibly even paying. Along those lines is since the fields are kinda vaguely laid out it would be very easy for stray rounds for paintballers or vice versa from us to hit someone who is not even in game.

[Jeremy314]

The last game I know I heard someone had an unchronoed gun on the field was OP24.. and I thought, not 100% sure, I heard someone mention it happened at Op: Imperator...

Still even at unsactioned games guns should be chronoed IMO for safety reasons.. but you're right Steevo, they were unsactioned and the AOSC can't do anything about it.

[Gambler]

All guns were chrono'd at OP 24.

[Inked]

This game was NON SANCTIONED!!!!  Guns don't have to be chrono'd.  The whole day was a cluster F$%^, espically at the end when some douche bag decided he wanted to take some other peoples stuff.  I know who you are, and what car you where riding in.  If I ever see you at another SC game that I'm attending, you will be ejected before you can even step out of your buddies car or yours!

"I mentioned that a group that was waiting to respawn was ambushed and of course some tempers flared and insults ensued. The confusion was caused because this group of individuals were standing in the woods, guns in hand and at the ready, without any red-flags or any other indication that they were out of the game. To make matters worse some of these individuals were also not wearing eye-protection and I'm really glad that there were no injuries. Even if a few of these individuals had their red-flags on they were not very obvious so please just be aware that from a long distance you look like a target when your standing around holding a gun. You may think you look cool by tying your red flag around your head in some sweatband fashion and putting your camo cap on over it but other people have a hard time seeing that from a distance. If you want to hold your gun try putting a red flag on the tip of your gun so we know your dead. Hands on your head will also indicate your deceased status just as well."


PLEASE TELL ME what you consider a long distance?  When the two scar guys fired on the group, you were less than 50ft from us, and when you guys where walking up the road, I yelled at you guys and so did tanker saying you were out of bounds!!  NO one on my team even had there guns in there hands!  My hands and my team mate next me had our hands on top of our heads. His gun was laying on the ground and mine was hanging from my sling! 5 out of 8 guys standing there had dead rags or hands on top of there heads.  You played the "o we're lost card" because one of you jackass's asked me where "pizza hut" was, and that part of the field wasn't even in play.

[BigMan23]

Hey all. First off, thanks Inked and Tanker for putting on a game a TT when there was already an SCAA game going on at Saluda. You saved my team and at least a few other's a good bit of gas money by pulling a game together here in Columbia. That said, guys, please, don't accuse someone of cheating because you "know you hit them". Come on. We're playing in woods, with guns that fire bb's(spherical, inaccurate). They hit twigs, leaves, a gust of wind, etc and fly off target. Also, don't over estimate your gun's range. Regardless of how good it may be, screaming at me to call my hits when you're shots are falling twenty to thirty feet in front of me, are not going to make me call out. Anyone who was near me during the assault on the South Base in the second half of the day knows what I'm talking about. If you sincerely have a problem with my play, I ask you to PM me, and we will get the situation resolved immediately. Also, guys, as has already been stated, attacking a structure with a hot gun is not a good idea. Stick to the MED's and let's keep this fun for everyone. Thanks again for the game Inked and Tanker, and we'll be back on the field with you ASAP.

[GARRETT]

Sorry I couldn't be there everyone. Had a last second trip to Atlanta that I couldn't get out of.

[enigma_soldat]

This game was NON SANCTIONED!!!!  Guns don't have to be chrono'd.  The whole day was a cluster F$%^

Agreed(about the clusterf***). Regardless of sanctioning, chrono'ing a gun is for safety. Its not your nor my responsibility to ensure weapons are chrono'd: it is legally the field owners responsibilty (as he is the one liable) . My point was that since we are representing the airsoft community lets set a good example even at these non-sanctioned games and try to chrono the weaps. Several people complained about 'getting hit across the field and that hurt like heck' and saying 'I know that guy is firing hot'. At that point common sense should dictate to chrono a gun.

PLEASE TELL ME what you consider a long distance?  When the two scar guys fired on the group, you were less than 50ft from us, and when you guys where walking up the road, I yelled at you guys and so did tanker saying you were out of bounds!!  

Thanks for trying to tell us but no one heard you. If we were out of bounds then the two people on your team that we had just killed were also out of bounds so it looks like there was more than one group that wasn't clear on the boundaries. I was pretty sure they were OOB because the battle was pretty close to a group of paintballers but it happens. The SCAR squad that attacked you had two people that had never been to triggertyme before (or played airsoft before), 1 player who had been once before and craig who I don't know how long he has been going. Point being, us being out of bounds was purely accidental and a rookie mistake.

NO one on my team even had there guns in there hands!  My hands and my team mate next me had our hands on top of our heads. His gun was laying on the ground and mine was hanging from my sling! 5 out of 8 guys standing there had dead rags or hands on top of there heads.  You played the "o we're lost card" because one of you jackass's asked me where "pizza hut" was, and that part of the field wasn't even in play.

I'm sure that's the way you remember it but its not the way I remember it. I don't mean that to be an offensive remark but I wouldn't shoot someone if I saw a red flag or if they didn't have a weapon in hand. I was focused on one person (maybe it was you with the gun sling, maybe not, I don't know who you are) and I didn't see any dead flags. When we charged I hit a few more people before I heard the shouting that it was a dead group.

All in all I don't think its a big deal, I've been on the receiving side of a mistake like that more than once. Stuff happens I'm glad no one got hurt though because it was still an incredibly stupid idea to remove your eye protection even if you think your in a 'safe' area. Reason why? Stuff like this happens.

[Inked]

I like my teeth to stay in my mouth, I'm not gonna turn around and yell at someone for shooting me when I'm dead especially that close.  The guy wearing the white t shirt was the one that didn't stop firing.

[enigma_soldat]

Yes, I like my teeth in my mouth as well 

I was the guy in the white T-shirt and I did not stop firing because:

1) I was shooting other people
2) I was shooting and therefore did not hear any shouts of protest (until I stopped of course)
3) I did not see any dead flags on

I know its customary in paintball to hold your hands up really quick as soon as your shot to indicate "hey a$$hole, stop shooting" and I think that would be more effective than trying to shout down the gun right next to my ear. Either way, I know you were upset about that and in hindsight I can see your point. I certainly hope everyone realizes it was an honest mistake and not intentional. I also hope that at the least it can be used as a reminder in the future to not take off your glasses (not YOU per se but in general).

oh, as for the 50 ft, I must be horrible at judging distances but I don't think I was within 50 ft. Maybe I will attach a rangefinder to my gun