Upgrading KWA SR12

[Smoke]

So i take it you have not checked the kwa.com website?  Why would they hand off new aeg's to cops that are doomed??????  Doesn't make any sense to me.  Check out the forum's and you will find the issue's with the flashhider i was talking about...  On airsoft pacific ..allizard chimes in to talk about the fitment issue's with there hop up unit...  Kinda hard to argue with someone who WORKS FOR KWA!

[Smoke]

Kwa put out a service advisory about installing aftermarket flashiders because the inner barrel protrudes into the flashider a tiny bit so you have to check the aftermarket flashider before you install it to make sure the innerbarrell will pass through or you will push the innerbarrel into the hop chamber and it could cause damage.... I'm not trying to get into a know it all match with you I'm just stating the fact's that come from kwa's website ....so it's kinda hard to argue you point with all of this and plus we need to help this guy with his project instead of this.....  I have done extensive research on kwa's

[SteevoLS]

Link to that flashhider topic?

[Dominum]

If that is the case, then forcing the barrel back is the problem, and the barrel is ruining the chamber. The way you stated it originally caused the "WTF".

I didn't say that KWA's law enforcement models are doomed to failure, I said IF it is true that they are EXACTLY the same internally as their stnd model except with an M150 THEN they are doomed to failure. Therefore, either the statement that they are not otherwise upgraded is false, OR they are doomed from day one.

plus we need to help this guy with his project instead of this.....  I have done extensive research on kwa's

I appreciate that you have done extensive research on KWAs, but I have extensive hands on experience with them and all DMR setups as well. In anycase, I have already given him a complete parts list for his project. I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with you here, it's just that I fail to see how that statement can be correct.

[Smoke]

Well i couldn't believe it when i found out about the m150 spring...so then i did some more research digging through kwa's forum's a while back and there is nothing at all different EXCEPT the spring..They have had some stock kwa gearboxes running m180 springs BUT they did not say how long they held up.... and as ive been saying this is coming straight from kwa....not from me

[Dominum]

Then KWA is lying. It is a downright physical impossibility for an otherwise stock KWA AEG gearbox to even make half a cycle with an M180, much less fire at all.

To put it in perspective, a Systema drop in M150 V2 gearbox with a Systema Magnum motor cannot pull an M170 even with a 20C 11.1v LiPo.

[Smoke]

Then maybe you should call em up and tell them what you think? Why would they lie....?

[SteevoLS]

... links to the supposed announcements? I'm not finding much.

[Dominum]

Then maybe you should call em up and tell them what you think? Why would they lie....?

When I find it, I will email them. I doubt any of their employees would say something that absurd, maybe it was a translation problem?

[SteevoLS]

http://www.kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2171

Did find the hopup thing. There's a major difference between a shattered hopup unit (which these guys had) and a uber-crappy bucking (which lots of people do have).

[Smoke]

http://www.kwausa.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2171      link

[Smoke]

Do you think maybe it could rip the bucking instead of crushing the entire hop up unit?  Remeber i said i was NOT sure if this was the case ....I was wondering the type of flashider used on gamblers guns...  Seems like to me that it dosent matter who the info comes from ...if it dosent come out of your guys mouth then its not true....BUT I TRUST KWA......  that being said ....im out....before i say some things that get me banned        Dom a$$

[SteevoLS]

This won't get you banned by any means.

All of the KWA's I mentioned above were 100% stock. They were literally removed from the box, loaded with BBs and a battery, and failed to shoot with even decent hopup.

On a side note, Allizard on the KWA forums said that all the law enforcement models are built on a per-order basis, and that the only information he can release about the internals is that they run M150s. That hardly says they use stock gearboxes... if anything, it says the opposite.

[Dominum]

On a side note, Allizard on the KWA forums said that all the law enforcement models are built on a per-order basis, and that the only information he can release about the internals is that they run M150s. That hardly says they use stock gearboxes... if anything, it says the opposite.

...aaannnddd there's the fine print... exactly like I said. Seems to have been a simple misunderstanding.

You are absolutely correct that an inner barrel pushed backwards into a hopup chamber can both rip the bucking AND crack the chamber, as well as ruin the airnozzle. I have seen all three from people that left their inner barrel sticking out and bumped it on something. Once you filled in the part about the inner barrel being pushed in, your statement made perfect sense.

Now all that's left to be figured out is the statement that a KWA employee made about a stock KWA gearbox running an M180. I still can't find it.

Why would you be banned? All you are doing is having a logical discussion about something? There's nothing wrong with a debate, in fact I'd say this one is rather fruitful seeing as we've figured out two out of the three things we were disagreeing on! If you misunderstood, don't think that I am in any way bashing KWA or you at all, I'm just trying to get the facts out there.

[Smoke]

Do a little more digging on the forums and you will find out where he does acctually say the are one in the same...send him a pm....    I have    If i wasn't so lazy id post all the links... but if there is something that you cant find let me know.....  and by the way steve i dont doubt you for a min about the hop ups being bad ....ive just been lucky enough to get the good ones i guess and was just curious if it at all had to do with the flashider deal....but it seems like it dosent if they were straight out of the box....but kwa has a good waranty and im sure they would stand behind it