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KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:03 am
by TokenTech89
I reshimmed my kwa gearbox cuz it needed it, as do all gearboxes. but for some reason it is louder than normal, any reason why that may have happened??

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 9:30 am
by JumpGunner
loose, tight, or the hights dont match up.

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:08 am
by Star_folder
JumpGunner wrote:loose, tight, or the hights dont match up.
aka, you didn't shim it well enough.

Did you test your shimming with the gearbox screwed together? KWAs are a little difficult to shim because of their tolerances, they don't always allow enough room to shim the gears very well. I've had a few where the gears were almost fused with the bearings, making it impossible to shim the gun.

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:10 am
by TokenTech89
ok, i got a new set of shims in so i will work on it this week. thanks.

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 10:36 am
by JumpGunner
make sure they include .01 shims. these are extremly valuable when you shim a tight gearbox.

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:23 am
by TokenTech89
.02, .03, and .05. i had put .01 in it when i reshimmed it

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:35 pm
by JumpGunner
you do know you can put more than one shim in at a time right. I had a gearbox that needed .08 to work right. so 1 .05 and a .03. agm gear boxes are poop.

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 12:52 pm
by Star_folder
JumpGunner wrote:you do know you can put more than one shim in at a time right. I had a gearbox that needed .08 to work right. so 1 .05 and a .03. agm gear boxes are poop.
KWA gearboxes are designed with almost no room around the gears. Shimming usually only takes 1 or two shims because there's no room for extras. There's a reason why I don't like KWAs.

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 1:30 pm
by TokenTech89
Star_folder wrote:
JumpGunner wrote:you do know you can put more than one shim in at a time right. I had a gearbox that needed .08 to work right. so 1 .05 and a .03. agm gear boxes are poop.
KWA gearboxes are designed with almost no room around the gears. Shimming usually only takes 1 or two shims because there's no room for extras. There's a reason why I don't like KWAs.

yea, i followed dom's video and do them one at a time and re tighten to check for any wiggle room, and then adjust if needed. so i am hoping the .02 and .01 are all i needed, to quiet the sound of the gears turning

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:02 pm
by Star_folder
Did you check the motor height, or how the motor meshes with the bevel gear?

Re: KWA gearbox issue

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:17 pm
by Dominum
^My bet is on motor height or the bevel gear being too low. When you had NOTHING in the GB except the shimmed gears and bearings, and torqued down all the screws, the gears spun easily, but without lateral wobble on the axles? If so, check to see that the bevel is not shimmed so low as to be causing excess friction against the pinion, and that the motor isn't simply mounted too high or low in the first place. Also, make sure you don't have any crap (dirt, filings) inside of the bearings themselves.