Your Dream Weapon

[Dominum]

Ah, so how would one go about permanently limiting their DMR to semi only?

[Villid]

could you not modify the selector plate on your gearbox to prevent it from engaging full auto?


I have to agree about younger playeres with overpowered rifles.  For every 1 who is responsible and strictly obeys the rules, theres 2 who have the metaility "they'll never know" when it comes to ignoring the rules.

[Stomper87]

I get your point about a kid like me running around with a hi-powered gun, but age has nothing to do with breaking the rules. I attend about three games a month on average, and I have allways tried to follow the rules. I have never been acussed of not calling my hits, nor have I skipped a trip back to respawn because I didn't feel like walking. If Dom or any other rep sees me misusing my gun, I have no problem with then banning me or my gun, because I would be at fault.

[Dominum]

1: More adults intentionally cheat than younger players.

2: Semi only will not prevent cheating MEDs, which is the main issue.

3: Usually only serious players are willing to spend that kind of money on high powered guns, and 'serious players' means the rule breakers have been weeded out.

4: My post above was a trick question, meant to illustrate the point that while there are several ways to modify a gun not to shoot full auto, every one of them can be switched back quickly and easily in the field.

In other words, having a rule like that would punish those that already comply with the rules, and do absolutely nothing to prevent those who wish to cheat from doing so. Hence, the reason why we do not have such a useless requirement.

Also, this has never been a serious problem.

[Villid]

And because of the facts you mentioned, you have a reputation as a honest and respectable player.  I wasn't trying to imply otherwise or call anyone out specifically.  It was a general statement.  And you are right, now that you mentioned it, age doesn't matter much as far as cheaters go.  Perhaps younger players dont get the benefit of the doubt for their ages.  

[Dominum]

I have to agree about younger playeres with overpowered rifles.  For every 1 who is responsible and strictly obeys the rules, theres 2 who have the metaility "they'll never know" when it comes to ignoring the rules.

I have not seen this being an issue, please elaborate. (There are VERY few young people with high FPS guns anyway...)

[Villid]

Stereotype.  Plain and simple.  And it wasnt til after i posted it and stomper replied, as well as your previous post, that i actually THOUGHT about what i was saying.  and your correct, more adult players violate the rules. 

at this point, im withdrawing from the conversation, as i clearly dont what im talking about.

[Dominum]

I can't blame you, that is a very common stereotype to have, hopefully this will disuade more people from that opinion .

[Tzer1993]

I break the rules all the time. I'm a rebel.

[slickridley]

could you not modify the selector plate on your gearbox to prevent it from engaging full auto?

I'm pretty sure you can, if not you can psychically blocked or only allow guns that can do semi only

1: More adults intentionally cheat than younger players.

I would have to agree, but the kids are more prone to rule ignorance.

2: Semi only will not prevent cheating MEDs, which is the main issue.

In the 'heat of battle' MEDs can be broken, but limiting high powered guns would limit injury to other players. NCAO  doesn't allow anything over 550 and above 500fps it has to be bolt action, no reason the AOSC rules can't mimic the safety first mentality of theirs

3: Usually only serious players are willing to spend that kind of money on high powered guns, and 'serious players' means the rule breakers have been weeded out.

....are you serious?..the "serious player" question is only answered by the eye of the beholder, I have meet some less than fortunate players who are the sports truest fans and some who have spent 1000's on equipment just to hang out at base and look cool.

4: My post above was a trick question, meant to illustrate the point that while there are several ways to modify a gun not to shoot full auto, every one of them can be switched back quickly and easily in the field.

Then you are not the Doctor and shouldn't try to be because you are no Stephen Moffat.
I'm pretty sure you can modify a selector plate and that would not be an easy change in the field,
I've also seen small screws locktighted in place to prevent a M16 model from going into full auto,
NCAO ruleset proves a more safety conscience rules set than the AOSC, I respectfully request that the AOSC administrators learn from it, it has been developed over longer years by more players with more experience than ourselves,
We don't want a team NCAC popping up and ruining our good time

In other words, having a rule like that would punish those that already comply with the rules, and do absolutely nothing to prevent those who wish to cheat from doing so. Hence, the reason why we do not have such a useless requirement.

Also, this has never been a serious problem.

Did you just admit that the AOSC are powerless as an organization to enforce its own rules? NCAO has been able to successfully enforcing their rules for years. It's easy just have refs that enforce the rules and bans, train and rotate these players.
I'm not out to punish anybody, I'm encouraging a alteration to a safety rule to head off any serious problems.

[Bushmaster]

So....you're saying those of us under the age of 18 can't be trusted to know and obey the rules? MCG is under 18, yet he knows the rules and obeys them, as do I, Soap, and many others.

[Tzer1993]

Wouldn't it make more sense to work on catching the offenders rather than penalizing the players who obey the rules?

[IronChef]

younger players call hits cause they scream more when shot!
its not all about fps, tho if i am gonna kick a hornets nest, just WISH ASOC would switch the standard ammo weight to .25. becuase nopw most of the new aegs are pushing close to the 400fps mark or over stock, so why buy a new gun and downgrade it to play.
ex...the new e-1 rpk...shoots over 400 with .20, but AOSC rules dictates it cant go full auto?

[slickridley]

Wouldn't it make more sense to work on catching the offenders rather than penalizing the players who obey the rules?

Reason resonates with this man, AOSC already has the "chrono before every game" procedure in place to head off offenders and can and should take reasonable action at that time. I am puzzled as to who will be penalized by this change in safety regulation as I am unaware of any current AOSC player that carries a possible automatic rifle capable of +550fps. I'm suggesting this change to ward off any potential issues.

[D.Smitty]

...getting a little off topic, here.

ex...the new e-1 rpk...shoots over 400 with .20, but AOSC rules dictates it cant go full auto?

Unfortunately, the airsoft player base has little direct control over what the gun makers do.  Despite the fact that many players play "backyard" airsoft games with high-powered guns (+450 fps on full auto) without incident, it is the FPS of a gun that determines it's danger to other players (especially when you put heavier bbs into that same gun).  The danger is not from getting shot in the limbs and getting bruised, but getting shot in softer areas such as the neck, groin, or face.  The laws in Japan that keep their airsoft guns under 300 fps are there for a reason, make no mistake.  The only way for airsoft games in the US to NOT get subjected to similar laws it to be VERY CAREFUL about safety regulation and avoid serious injury to players at public games AT ALL COSTS.

its not all about fps, tho if i am gonna kick a hornets nest, just WISH ASOC would switch the standard ammo weight to .25. becuase nopw most of the new aegs are pushing close to the 400fps mark or over stock, so why buy a new gun and downgrade it to play.
ex...the new e-1 rpk...shoots over 400 with .20, but AOSC rules dictates it cant go full auto?

It is a physical fact that the energy of a moving object increases with the square of that object's velocity.  This means that an increase of the full-auto limit from 400 fps for 0.20 g bbs to 440 fps for 0.20 g bbs (this would roughly make it so that 0.25 g bbs would be fired at 400 fps), which is a velocity increase of ~10%, increases the energy of the projectile by ~20%.  As another example, a sniper rifle that fires 0.20s at 600 fps has 4 TIMES the energy of a CQB-rated gun of 300 fps. 

It's another fact that heavier bbs do not slow down as much as lighter weight bbs at the same velocities because they are more dense.  This means that those bbs are dangerous at longer ranges.

The rules are not to keep players from feeling pain, but to protect everybody from the sport getting shut down by law enforcement/bad media coverage because some player gets hit with a powerful sniper shot that penetrates his eye-pro or shatters a tooth.  Make no mistake, airsoft bbs have the power to pentrate the plastic covering of paintball masks, knock lenses and mesh out of their frames, and crack even ANSI-rated goggles with repeat hits (though they will likely get knocked out of their frames before they actually shatter).  (Note that the glass passenger windows of the HMMWV took noteworthy damage at the anniversary game.)

Please note that I am not making up the facts in the above paragraph, I am citing the well-known eye protection tests of Airsoft Hawaii, which demonstrate that high fps guns can shoot right through commonly available airsoft masks, paintball masks, and non-ANSI-rated goggles such as dust goggles or ski goggles.  ANSI-rated goggles took notable damage, but not enough to break them on the spot (presumably giving the player enough time to call "blind man" and get off the field).