Whats happened to the US

[rack0730]

I'm not really defending anything, I'm just stating a point. To be honest, if some every day Islamic followers wanted to build a Mosque near ground zero, more power to them. Maybe they would be able to show how peaceful their religion can be in modern times, maybe it can open some eyes that most Muslims aren't evil extremists that want to kill all non-believers. Certainly there are the bad apples that are out there to kill christians and jews, but the same could be said about every other religion. I guarantee you that if the terrorists were christian or jewish, they would have just said "Terrorists destroy WTC", not "Christian/Jewish Extremists blow up WTC".

I'd have a whole problem with this situation if they were trying to build this Mosque at ground zero or right beside it, not a few blocks away. I do agree with Ben with the opening date, that is a low blow.

I think what you ment to say was that some muslims aren't the extremist type but I can think of a handful of countries that 99 percent of them hate the US and would hurt Americans without taking a second look. Try the Americans who just recently died giving aid to Afghan people. They were killed because they were Americans. I think supporting this mosque is the same as supporting all muslims even the extremist type.

[Billytehbob]

I think what you ment to say was that some muslims aren't the extremist type but I can think of a handful of countries that 99 percent of them hate the US and would hurt Americans without taking a second look. Try the Americans who just recently died giving aid to Afghan people. They were killed because they were Americans. I think supporting this mosque is the same as supporting all muslims even the extremist type.

So, if I were to say that I felt animals should have better living standards on farms, does that mean I automatically support PETA and their views?

[rack0730]

Just so you know the majority of muslims hate America. Whether they are extremist or not they wouldn't mind seeing America in trouble. That being said I know that not all muslims are extremist it's just most you hear about are. The difference between a muslim and an extremist is the guns that the extremist have. The protest signs they carry are the same.

[Jeremy314]

Before this thread get locked up... if you are against the building of the Mosque then sign the petition:
http://www.actforamerica.org/

Now as for Rack's statement, here is something that does negate it:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/06/AR2010080603006.html

[rack0730]

I don't see any of my comments as attacking a certain religion, creed, or race at all. I am just protesting the building of that mosque with my god given right of speech. If the moderators have a problem with that then they can delete the post or lock the thread, it doesn't matter. In my opinion locking this thread would be no different than allowing the mosque to be built. I do not believe I have violated AOSC laws because I have not said one racist or mean thing that is pointed to one religion. I never said that all muslims were bad people, or evil, etc. If you feel that I have then don't read this thread anymore. Now I am angry at this whole thing because there are American men and women muslim, christian, buddhist, or jewish who will never be able to be with their family again because of a group of muslim people. Excuse me for being a little one sided on this discussion. People get offended in political debates, if that is what you are worried about then there should be a rule against threads that have to do with politics, if you don't agree with that then get over it.

[rack0730]

Oh and this right is exactly what I have been trying to get across. This women gets it and yes it is from Jeremy's site ( That is why the prospect of a mosque near Ground Zero -- or a church or a synagogue or any religious or nationalistic monument or symbol -- troubles me.) Not every body even other muslims agree with the mosque being built. I think I said that in about all of my posts. No one religion should have the right to build a religious building near ground zero as a tribute.

Oh yeah and she agrees with the other things I said. ( I fear it would become a symbol of victory for militant Muslims around the world.)

[Gambler]

The fact that there is even a discussion on this in the US shows that we are a very tolerant country.  Go try to build a christian church in a Muslim country and see if that happens.  There are very few countries that have freedom of religion that we do, but having said that I think having a Mosque built anywhere near the WTC sends the wrong message.  The muslims will view that as a sign that where they destroyed something the "infidels" held in high regard, then replacing it with a mosque sends the message that if they destroy another building it will be replaced by a mosque.  Some folks in the US are far too worried about being PC.  A mosque should not be allowed to be build where the worst terrorist attack in the name of Islam happened.  Period!

[rack0730]

And also just because you don't agree with the mosque being built doesn't mean you are narrow minded which is what a lot of people have said.

[idiot88]

Stop trying to defend the building of this mosque.

Is it right that some people can protest against the building, while others can't defend their First Amendment freedom of religion?  Freedom of religion was important to the writers of the Constitution.  When they did the amendments, I don't think it was an accident freedom of speech and religion was listed in the number one position.  The first settlers (Pilgrims) came here to escape religious persecution so I think religious freedom is one of the foundations of our country.
I'm not even actually FOR the building being built, nor against it.  I just don't like seeing people's First Amendment rights being, in my opinion, violated.  I understand why the location creates a problem for a lot of people (60% of New Yorkers).  I even understand how the opening date seems insensitive to some.  For what reason the builder chose this location and opening date, I don't know, and I think people can speculate all they want but can't really prove it.

We extended the branch of peace to Afghanistan in their fight with the USSR, you've seen the results.

The result was that a well armed Taliban minority forceably and violently imposed their twisted religious beliefs on the larger peaceful Muslim population.  The US invaded not to fight the average Muslims, but to fight the extremists.  Taliban have killed way more fellow Muslims than they have killed US soldiers.  The Afghan army (Muslims) are trying to kill Taliban too.

My biggest issue with it's construction is that they plan to open it on the 10th anniversary of 9/11. That just smacks of poor taste. Push it back a week, who would care? Open it 9/12 or something.
Nobody can say that opening it on 9/11, calling it the Cordoba Center and having the site be so close to the WTC blocks is just a coincidence.

After all the uproar it has caused, I see how it can be considered bad taste and insensitive.  Whether it was planned to purposely be in bad taste, I don't know.

Just so you know the majority of muslims hate America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_majority_countries
I disagree.  If you look at this list, a lot of Muslims come from countries where you don't really hear about much anti-Americanism.
Example - Iran.  The Ahmadinejad government hates us, but a large percentage of the Iranian people (especially the young) are trying to get rid of him and actually like the US.  
About 20% of Muslims live in Indonesia and Malaysia, but you don't hear about a lot of anti-Americanism there except for a few hotel bombings.
Pakistan - Yes, a large percentage of them seem to not like us, especially on the northeast Waziristan area.  I saw something on a news program a few days ago, and about 1/6 seem to think the US was behind the WTC bombing.
Bangladesh - I don't recall seeing much anti-Americanism on the news from them.
Of course one can go all the way down the list and do a count and compare the numbers to what you hear on the news, but I don't think you will come up with a majority.

I am just protesting the building of that mosque with my god given right of speech.

As much as you have a God given right speech, don't others have a God given right to peaceably worship as they please?

No one religion should have the right to build a religious building near ground zero as a tribute.

This is my biggest disagreement.  I think ANY religion should be able to build a religious building near (NOT ON) ground zero as long as it is on PRIVATE property.

The fact that there is even a discussion on this in the US shows that we are a very tolerant country.  Go try to build a christian church in a Muslim country and see if that happens.  There are very few countries that have freedom of religion that we do,

That is why I think we are one of the greatest (if not the greatest) countries.  Some Muslim countries actually do allow churches though.  Others, like Saudi Arabia, do not allow churches, and that is why those countries' governments/rulers/laws are, hineyholes in my opinion.  My opinion is,  if we don't allow a Muslim worship center to be built, we are almost just as bad as a Muslim country that does not allow a Christian or other worship center to be built.



I don't usually write so much about these type of things.  I am just bored because it has been too hot for me to play airsoft.

[rack0730]

It's not that we are against the building of a mosque because trust me there are mosques in the US and I don't care. It is the fact they are building one as a tribute to 9-11 inside the 4 block radius where the towers hit on 9-11-11. I have a very big problem with that especially if you look at the building of mosques in foreign countries in history.

[Slate]

Just for the record, if someone was building a Temple, Cathedral, Church, anything, two blocks away from the site of a tragedy carried out by people of that religion, I would have a problem with it. If the Christian churches built on top of Jewish/Muslim sites in Jerusalem were being built today and able to be discussed by the public, I would be just as against.


Yes, people have a right to practice their religion, their freedom of speech and every other rights guaranteed them as citizens of the United States. They also have a right to use common sense with where they place structures and when they open them. That means they should not be able to build something so close to a tragedy carried out by members of their belief system (warped though it is, the terrorists on 9/11 were Muslim).

[Joshua]

Im not reading all of that...but I'm 100% against it

Your an idiot for saying that. You won't spend 5 min and read it, but you'll put time in your busy schedule to post a narrow minded statement?

[saver64]

Yes i know that and I read the first two paragraph and I'm talking towards the second paragraph. Sorry if i said that wrong.  Oh and i read the whole thing.

[Echo1 Operator]

this discussion wouldn't have made it past page 1 if it was scrutinizing christianity 

[Crow]

this discussion wouldn't have made it past page 1 if it was scrutinizing christianity 

this isnt about scrutinizing any religion. so lets keep off that, and on what the topic acutally is.