Classic Army G36c

[adjunog]

Dude back off I'm giving him more options.

Well I lightly moded my clip with more metal above the nub. this piece of metal is just a guide. His hop-up unit is pushed forward with something that it's solid which won't last forever. Your just fixing a patch and not actually fixing the real problem. He wouldn't have to move the hop-up unit if the air nozzle can be fixed for the feeding.

Maybe the front barrel assembly is not solid within the body. Sometimes they can be loose.

[Dominum]

Back off? I merely pointed out that your "solution" had absolutely nothing to do with the problem he was experiencing.

[adjunog]

So do you think my suggestions is not related to feeding problems? I beg to differ.

[Dominum]

It has everything to do with feeding problems, but only the kind of feeding problems posed by high ROF setups. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the feeding issue he was having which had to do with the alignment of the hopup chamber, not the timing of the airnozzle.

You can beg to differ with that all you want, but the bottom line is you proposed a solution that was totally unrelated to the problem being experienced and touted it as the correct solution in this case.

[adjunog]

Ok... so tell me what allows the BB to feed in the hop-up unit besides the spring tension of the mag?

[Dominum]

Good lord man, I am not about to answer patronizing questions about the fundamentals of AEG gearboxes because you necro posted a solution to an unrelated problem and I corrected you on it. I am well aware of exactly how the airnozzle functions, what it's line of traverse is, and in what manner it is acted upon by the sector gear via the tappet plate.

Yes, you are correct that shimming between the hopup chamber and front of the GB shell with something that will wear out (like cardboard or tape) is a temporary fix, no one is disputing that. He should (and likely has) put something more permanent (like metal or hard plastic) in to keep the chamber aligned properly.

However, what you asserted was that a sector chip will fix the problem instead of the makeshift hopup chamber shim. Here is why that will not do any good for the problem he has:

The problem is that at the air nozzle's furthest point back (when it is pulled all the way up against the front of the cylinder head) it is not allowing enough room for the BB to feed. This is NOT a timing issue, this is an issue that can only be fixed by moving the whole GB backward (which can't be done for obvious reasons), or the hopup chamber forward (You will note that you could technically shave down the air nozzle a bit to fix this problem, but while it would fix this problem it would simultaneously cause another due to the fact that, being shorter, it would likely no longer make a tight seal with the bucking and barrel). The shim fix does move the chamber forward. Were you to remove the current solution, and instead install a sector chip it would have the same problem as before. The reason is that a sector chip pulls the airnozzle back at an earlier point in the cycle than before, but it does not pull it back any farther. This means that the airnozzle would come back sooner, trying to let a BB feed, but it would still not be able to because it still could not come back far enough. So, that is NOT a possible solution to this problem.

Now, if he said that his issue only happened at a high ROF, but when he ran it at a lower ROF it fed fine and dandy THEN a sector chip would make sense, as the issue would be due to a timing problem. However, this is not the case; hence you are incorrect.

I was not trying to get into a pissing match with you, but it would have been negligent to let such a statement stand. If you want to keep pissing, please state a reason why you believe me to be incorrect so that I can debunk it, rather than a sarcastic question. Otherwise, let's move on.

[adjunog]

Well you completely missed my concept. Anyone can read the brochure of a part. Adding more material around the sector nub will pull the tappet plate further back and allowing to feed better.
Dude don't comment if you don't know what I mean... I just said these are options for the post I do. It's not a necessity.
Quit acting like a smartass and commenting everything I post.

[Dominum]

That would work... except that it should already be traversing all the way to the cylinder head without a sector chip, meaning it couldn't go back any further. However, for the sake of argument, let's assume that premise to be true in this case. Assuming that was correct, and you went off and added material (not sure what material you would add and how you would do so to prevent it from coming off and jamming the gears, or just wearing down) to the sector chip, it would likely stress the tappet plate to breaking in addition to being a far more time consuming and less reliable fix then simply gluing a small flat piece of easily found metal or plastic to the front of the shell or rear of the chamber.

So, were we to assume that your solution could work for this problem, it would still be far less practical both in time expenditure and in longevity then the solution I proposed (which demonstrably worked in multiple G36Cs, even made by different manufacturers, without having to take the gun apart, much less open the whole GB)

LOL, you are posting falsehoods, arguing with me when I point it out, and then telling me not to post afterwards (in other words, "stop pointing out that I am wrong!")

Don't post crap unless you are willing to be called on the carpet for it.

[Bishop]

You know... It is probably not a good idea to argue with one of the states best airsoft techs in something like this.. I think he's pretty sure what works and doesn't.

[adjunog]

Ok Dom for being ignorant again. You have no respect for other posters of their ingenuity. You'll understand when you go some pubs.

[SteevoLS]

Adjun, Dom is explaining his argument fully while all you do is toss insults at him and/or get belligerent. Even if you are correct (I don't know enough about internals to make a valid argument to either side), why would anyone take you seriously?

[Star_folder]

Adjun, Dom is explaining his argument fully while all you do is toss insults at him and/or get belligerent. Even if you are correct (I don't know enough about internals to make a valid argument to either side), why would anyone take you seriously?

Agreed, and I also back up Dom on this, he is right. The sector clip will not fix this problem.

I don't know how familiar you are with G36s, but their hop ups are a little different than most. I once had one break on me, and I had to make some washers so that it would feed properly, *cough* *cough* felix *cough* They have these two small plastic tabs that hold the hop up in place, if one of these tabs break, then the hop up will slide back a little, causing the gun to not feed, even though everything is preforming as it should. Even if the air nozzle was pulled further back, it wouldn't help the fact that the hop up chamber itself is in the way of the bbs being fed into the gun.

[Felix]

I said I was sorry and I even paid for it XD

[Star_folder]

I said I was sorry and I even paid for it XD

yeah, that you did, all is good now.

[adjunog]

It was never an argument until Dom supposedly proved me wrong. It's just options and get over it. There was no need to for all the extra comments because I had already explain myself in the first post about the part and there was nothing left out... Please LOck this Thread.