June 25, 2011--Operation Blackwater

[Hotspur93]

That first time Dom walked up and shot us point blank after he asked where our CO was more then a lil butt hurt it was an "omg how could i be so stupid this is Dom were dealing with" kind of butt hurt xD

[dftrent12]

It was a great first game. I had a blast once I found some mags. Can't wait for the next one.

[stuckmojo]

well guys let me add my 2 cents to this conversation here...oddly enough i find myself agreeing with dom here i did tell all players to think outside of the box from a normal airsoft game and to expect the unexpected. and like dom said i told you guys not to trust bw that they were only out for themselves. my feeling here is that some of you guys were not used to this type of scenario and wasnt prepared for it. i cant tell you in the game thread that bw can do this or not do this it would have ruined the game. i will say that i do feel that bw did take thing a little to the extreme but thats the nature of felix and dom. the point of this game was to provide the sc players with a different type of game and not everybody is going to like it. all in all i thought the game was a success and all 3 co's did an excellent job. i was hoping for a little more mischeif and surprises from alpha and bravo co's but then again this was their first time playing in this type of game. keep your comments coming i do welcome them

[Murphy]

I guess when everyone kept saying expect the unexpected I was just like yeah blabla I've been playing airsoft for five years let's just go already. Never again. Never again.

[Felix]

haha next time bring a 29 and a hlaf foot pole to poke us with.

[Dominum]

I expected the same of Alpha and Bravo! In fact, just after lunch I brokered a deal to sell Alpha's WE to Bravo for 900Gs. I agreed to give them the weapons expert, control of the Radar station, and intel on where the WE respawned after he was either taken back by Alpha or ran out of capture time. The plan was to have them hand off the money at Pizza Hut, where they could pick up the WE from most of our force. I would only allow them to send 6 men to get him. I then agreed with Alpha CO for 300Gs to set it up so that Alpha could ambush Bravo on their way back after picking him up with us. To show our sincerity I even agreed to give him four of my men to help them ambush Bravo. I knew that on the way back the six Bravo would have to pass by the Radar Station, and that there was a deep ravine behind it. So I was going to put the Alpha guys in the ravine with the four BW guys to wait until I had made the exchange with the six Bravo guys, at which point they would climb the hill and ambush them from the Radar Station's fortifications. However, I planned to tell Bravo CO my arrangement with Alpha, so that he could have more men move in to assault the Radar station after the exchange had taken place. I could then charge more money from Alpha to go after the Bravo players with my whole force. The net result of the entire affair would be 1.2 Million Dollars wealthier, while BOTH Alpha CO AND Bravo CO would think that we had acted in good faith the whole time and were really working for them, leaving total trust with each faction leader. At the last minute I got word that both factions were planning on screwing us, so I used my contingency plan and hid all of our assets including the case, and then hid the WE very well. I was expecting Bravo to say they were going through with the deal (which they did), and show up, shoot me and the few men I left with me, then look around to take everything. At that point I would have told them of course that the price had just gone up and they had lost time, and they would only have him handed off to them when they had payed the higher price. They of course did not know that he was waiting behind their lines to be handed off. Unfortunately we waited until his mandatory release time and still didn't see a dime from Bravo. Woe to opportunities lost!

[Mr. Marauder]

We did try to work for Bravo since Alpha had the bomb, but multiple deals with Bravo fell through and getting money seemed like squeazing blood from a turnip.

Not so. Bravo transacted with Felix numerous times. Only at the point when Alpha's weapon expert was up for sale was one of the few times Bravo chose not to follow through. In part to not being able to.

Further, some communication break-down happened late game, when BW was contracted to assault Alpha, but many of the members didn't get the memo, so tensions were still present.
I completely understand the role of the "Hired Gun", and it didn't so much bother me when BW would flip-flop. It ensured everyone was always on their toes. HOWEVER, when the team is contracted, I expect proper communication, and there were many a times there were communication failures, resulting in BW members not knowing what's going on. Because of this, numerous times, when BW was contracted, members would still engage and attack. This led to confusion and agitation amongst the Bravo ranks, and for good reason.

[Dominum]

For over half an hour I sat at SB with it in my control, shooting Alpha players in the area and even down to the island offering to sell it to you for only 100G, after waiting forever and being told several times there was a runner on the way with it, you and another Bravo guy showed up. I asked for the money and you said you had already payed us 100Gs, and I told you that you had payed that for our help in the airfield and it had nothing to do with SB. I said if you handed me 100Gs right then I would flip the flag and even stay awhile to help you hold it. You then said something or other about not needing SB, and someone not on my orders (I think it was Felix, and being the CO he had no need to ask me permission) then shot the two of you and looted your corpses. It was at that point Alpha CO offered us a pile of cash to help them win the game. Having not seen a big firefight for a while and not seeing much monetary cooperation from Bravo (also noting the late hour) we agreed. He payed us in installments as we continued to help, and kept most of his money hidden. Not paying us twice, even when the price was dropped drastically (I dropped the WE to whatever you had on hand and even sent a runner to get it) naturally caused us to jump at the opportunity for piles of money waived in our face. I did have trouble contacting you, and though I did my best to stay in contact with the rest of BW there were times I could not raise Felix, so I completely agree with you on the communications issues being a major factor.

Do note that had we helped you win the game, we of course would have had Alpha make the same point you are making (at least partially). The bottom line is that we pretty much had to help one side or the other win at some point, and it came down to not only who had the most money, but who was willing to pay it to us. Had it gone the other way not everyone would be happy either, so IMO it was a lose lose as far as BW being blamed (legitimately) for losing the game for one faction.

[VoidSuicide]

To start off with, one of my few orders after lunch was to treat bw with caution, raise a question once, and if they did not respond and kept coming, to shoot. And in the last rush of the day I did with hold parts of payment until the objective was reached.

And onto the lunch deal, although I did not prepare for it, I was expecting to get double double crossed like dom wanted to do, so I'm glad that plan fell through. And I knew where my WE was, I just didn't care to try rescuing him. Towards the end of lunch I added a bit to my plans with bw for the doublecross. Originally I told them to just sell my WE for 4-5 so they'd get the money back. But after a while I told dom to change it and tell them I had offered 7 and they could have him for 8-9. I knew that bravo would be unlikely to take the deal with such a high price, however, if they had I would have just ambushed their money escort and waited so I would have gained 8-9 stacks plus my WE after a minor wait. I'm glad dom was in to character, if it weren't for the greed his role brought, then bravo might have bought my brother, and I would have lost my WE for much longer, thus resulting in a longer game.

I for one, liked the different dimensions that the third faction brought, and did everything to roll with the punches, expecting betrayals and trying to take each one in stride. I will admit that almost nothing of my original plans stayed intact, but i did mange to pull what I thought was a decent victory considering it being my first time as co and my being rather inexperienced in applied war tactics.

[Dominum]

As per the advice I gave you on being in command: the only thing you can plan set piece is initial deployment. After that it all goes to crap LOL!

You didn't know where he was after I moved him again . I would have liked to see that whole deal go through, as it would have been a very interesting several minutes of counter-double-quintuple dodeca-uple crossing!

[Murphy]

By counter-double-quintuple dodeca-uple crossing you mean the utter chaos that i originally expected form this game. But...puppeteered chaos, by you?

[C Taylor]

Hey C Taylor, were you the one that clipped me when I tried to get a group of guys to take you out?

I have no idea. it may have been. I went by myself a couple of times and sometimes it was me vs. like 5 other people. If it was me i feel even more accomplished now.

[Hotspur93]

I just wish Cripto and I had stolen the bomb from Alpha when we had it (sadly as stated a zillion times we didnt know what the bomb looked like and literally threw it away thinking it was useless) because this would have changed the whole face of the game. Even though Alpha may have had money Bravo would have had the bomb with out having paid a single cent XD and even the notorious Dom and Felix would be like how the heck did this happen?

[Mr. Marauder]

I do not entirely blame BW for Bravo's defeat. We had our moments where we didn't fully capitalize on a situation, and it had an impact.
But I don't use a game victory, or lack thereof, to determine how I had fun. It is about the drive sometimes, not the destination.

To Stealth Hero, a successful CO is defined not only how he stratagizes, but how he reacts to situations. You will find more often than not, planning will only get you so far.

[Dominum]

By counter-double-quintuple dodeca-uple crossing you mean the utter chaos that i originally expected form this game. But...puppeteered chaos, by you?

Exactly! What else would you expect from me as the broker?

Despite the opportunities lost to misfortune, I think you also did a good job Mr. Marauder. Someone always has to lose, but it doesn't always mean they didn't fight well!