R-hop experiences

[Star_folder]

That and more vanevery. Given that you have perfect everything, in a theoretically perfect environment, 300ft shots wouldn't be impossible.

[vanevery]

That and more vanevery. Given that you have perfect everything, in a theoretically perfect environment, 300ft shots wouldn't be impossible.

When you say 300 feet / 100 yards. Is that accurately?
8 of 10 on target using iron sights or scopes sighted in.
Theoretically of course: All tech work and parts and weather conditions at optimal settings.

I have a couple guns that can lob bb's 100 yards, with hop up turned all the way up, but accuracy is all over the place and no certainty of coming close to the target.

I am not looking for magical performance.
Just want to know what to realistically expect when I attempt this.
Really looking forward to trying both mods.

[Bishop]

That and more vanevery. Given that you have perfect everything, in a theoretically perfect environment, 300ft shots wouldn't be impossible.

When you say 300 feet / 100 yards. Is that accurately?
8 of 10 on target using iron sights or scopes sighted in.
Theoretically of course: All tech work and parts and weather conditions at optimal settings.

I have a couple guns that can lob bb's 100 yards, with hop up turned all the way up, but accuracy is all over the place and no certainty of coming close to the target.

I am not looking for magical performance.
Just want to know what to realistically expect when I attempt this.
Really looking forward to trying both mods.

Again, Yes. I have seen Star Consistently hit targets at around 300 back when he was using FlatHop in the L85. I was consistently hitting out to 225 with my Lower Powered M4, and I can still confidently hit out to the mid 200's on a man sized target with just FlatHop, not R-Hop.

[Star_folder]

Yes, flat trajectory, heavy bbs, if you've got a good aim, you could conceivably get 10/10 shots. With a guns shooting about 360 with .25s, I've engaged people at 300+ft. Yes, I was lobbing, but I was accurately engaging them.

You act as if you don't believe these crazy/insane/ludicrous claims, just do it, it's a fairly easy mod, it's quick to do, and it's cheap.

Realistically, for your first try, if you aren't getting at least 200ft, then you've done something wrong. With that spring, you should be getting about 250 or so feet with a good install.

[vanevery]

buttontk and Star
Thank you for the replies.

Star:
I have actually read your entire thread on Flat-hop on ASF from the beginning.
I am so late getting to this because I made the mistake of trying to do four projects at the same time, ran out of money in the process, and only recently am I finishing up these projects and focusing all my attention on inner barrel, nub, bucking combos and mods.

Not trying to Hijack this thread, but is the Firefly Buffer Rubber still the drop in nub of choice for Flat-hop mods, or would it be better to make my own nub, which I have no problem doing.
I will be using a KWA 2g bucking for this. I have extras if I fail at my first attempt.

[Star_folder]

The Firefly is still excellent. There are some clones of it around that are a bit cheaper, and come with a bucking, REAPS I believe is what they are called.

It is very good, however, a custom nub is a little more likely to return better results because of your ability to tailor it specifically for the hop up and barrel that you'll be putting it into.

[captainkirk05]

Nice I like what I'm hearing about the r-hops. I actually placed an order for a pack of ir-hops and m-nubs today. Here are some questions...

From what I've heard, you want the r-hop to work with the hop up completely off. So I'm assuming pick the lowest mass bb you will be using in matches and set it to work with that mass, and the hop up can be cranked up a bit to adjust to higher mass bb's. Is this correct?

Also, I am in the process of compressing and letting a new M130 spring settle down in my gun. It dropped a whopping 7 fps in 3 days, from its original 424 fps w/.25 lol, so it's staying in a bit longer to hit under 400 w/ .25's. The question is, should I wait to install the r-hop patch until my gun settles out at the lower fps? I was wondering if setting it while at it's higher fps would cause a loss in performance when its power drops later?

[Star_folder]

There is no true right way to install an r-hop, what I mean by that is it's a custom install, you can install it so it gives a little hop even if it's all the way off, or you can install the patch so that there is no hop whatsoever applied to the bb when the hop is off. That is how I install the patches, all the way off, no hop. That way, any bb, at any fps can be used without issue.

[captainkirk05]

Just finished my first ir hop install. I did a rough job with it. No special tools, just using an exacto knife and different size screwdrivers to wrap in 600 grit sandpaper and file away the inside of the r hop while holding it in hand. The thing that I had the most trouble with is the darned m-nub. The thing doesn't cut nicely, even with an exacto knife, and likes to flake like old foam. I did what superfrog did, and cut the original nub in half, then stuck on top of that a rough looking m-nub that was cut down to about 1/3 thickness top to bottom.
I ended up with what works like a hyper senstive version of the 2gx bucking. Range, accuracy, and flight path were just about exactly the same.
What I found odd is that I didn't need to cut the legs down on the ir hop. After cutting it down in length first, it fit in quite nicely, just a fraction of a mm tall of being flush with the outside of the barrel. I just rubbed it legs side down on sandpaper to get it down a bit.

For my next attempt I'll probably file down and smooth the hop up arm and stick the m-nub to that, and get hold of a vice, a tube cut in half, and some rough sandpaper to hold the r hop in place while I widdle away.

EDIT: This is my post from KWA forums if the references confuse you

[vanevery]

Flat-hop questions:

Does the Flat-hop mod work ok with standard nubs? W/ or W/out Nub Mod?
What about SCS nubs, H nubs, X nubs, etc...
I realize that the FireFly Buffer Rubber or a home-made nub to mimic this nub would be more ideal, but how do the above do in comparison to this nub?

[Star_folder]

Well, using anything besides a flat nub is not the flat hop, and you lose the benefits of a flat hop. SCS nubs aren't good to use with a flat bucking as they are very easy to pinch, same with H nubs, X nubs aren't as bad as the others because they are soft. Standard nubs don't work all that well with this either. Firefly, REAPS, or a home made nub are what is needed for a flat hop.

[vanevery]

Well, using anything besides a flat nub is not the flat hop, and you lose the benefits of a flat hop. SCS nubs aren't good to use with a flat bucking as they are very easy to pinch, same with H nubs, X nubs aren't as bad as the others because they are soft. Standard nubs don't work all that well with this either. Firefly, REAPS, or a home made nub are what is needed for a flat hop.

Thank you for your quick response Star.

One more questions.
In the thread on ASF - your thread Star - I believe you said that the M-nubs made by HS5 are not fantastic for the Flat-hop mod. Is there a benefit to making one's own nub that is M-nub like and shaving the U-placement off the Hop-up arm and attempting to have a nub placement like this:
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos- ... 7473_n.jpg ?

[Star_folder]

The only reason the M-nubs aren't fantastic are because they don't press far enough into the bucking to give enough hop. You can still do something like that, but it needs to be a little thicker than an M-nub to reach far enough into the bucking.

[vanevery]

So when using the FireFly Buuffer Rubber as the nub for the Flat-hop, should you cut one or both of the wings off or leave the nub untouched and leave it as a straight up drop-in nub?

[Star_folder]

Don't cut off the wings. They exist to stabilize the nub. Whoever came up with the idea to cut those off was wrong; 90% of the time it's better to keep the wings. The only reason to cut them off is if you don't have room in your hop up chamber for them, aka, G36 hop ups.