OP: 24-4

[Iam_Hoss]

So based on completing the math from Garrett's post ALPHA WON!!!!!!!

This leads to my next question did bravo forget the can opener for the " whoop ass" they were bringing. All that talk must have worn them out and they forgot an important item on those checklists.

Now that I got that out of my system.

It was a great game. Need to work on getting thing started on time. I did not see or hear of any issues with hit calling. The game play was great. bravo really kept us contained for most of the day.

The night play was epic. I have never seen a push work so great when we used the strobes and moved down the roads systematically from base 9 to 6 both times. When someone was hit a medic was there almost instantly.

The play on Sunday was fun.

The points for the objective really showed how close the game was.

Cleric you did a great job leading alpha. Dom also did a good job leading bravo and the decision to utilize the technical as a mobile command, troop transport and mobile assault vehicle was very tactical even if I did not like it. A very good way to maximize the effectiveness of not having a tank and turning it to an advantage.

Can't wait till the next Op-24.

[Star_folder]

So do you guys even want to know who won the game?

first base check in Alpha had 3 for 75 points and Bravo 5 for 125 points
objective 1973 both Alpha and Bravo completed for 50 points each
objective 1706 both Alpha and Bravo completed for 50 points each
objective 1995 both Alpha and Bravo completed for 50 points each
second base check in Alpha had 1 for 25 points and Bravo 4 for 100 points
objective 1957 both Alpha and Bravo completed for 25 points each
Objective 2345 Bravo completed first half for 50 points, Alpha completed second half for 50 points
Objective 3651 Alpha gained all 6 glowing jugs for 20 points each totaling 120
Objective 9897 Alpha completed for 0 points - was to be used later in the game, but both teams decided to call it for the night.
If my math is correct that gives Alpha 445 points and Bravo 450 points. Objective wise this was a very close game. But there were the death cards that key players were to carry that could be taken by snipers and DMR's. Alpha gained four of these cards worth 50 points each, while Bravo turned in 0.

So, that means that the final score was 495 Alpha and 450 Bravo? Meaning Alpha won?

[2nd Ranger]

I would like to know why this player was banned. Normally it goes through a chain of command and is brought and put forward infront of the AOSC isnt it?

I second this,

and the SCAA = AOSC point is getting more and more valid...

just saying I can pretty much match up perfectly certain mod/reps on the AOSC to certain mod/reps on the SCAA, espectially if they are banning people because they express their opinion and certain people do not like what they have to say.

I will say this this whole not dying not calling hit thing was dealt with very childishly. Post deleting, unthought out replies posted out of anger, then trying to drag other people into the whole ordeal to try to prove how honorable or not honorable you are. I am not just referring to one person either.

This whole thing could have been handled better, PM's are really where things like this are supposed to be dealt with.

As for the personal jabs at E1 like the field fee thing, that was low and uncalled for, and Hatch hit the nail on the head with his post.

[Hatch]

This leads to my next question did bravo forget the can opener for the " whoop ass" they were bringing. All that talk must have worn them out and they forgot an important item on those checklists.

Im pretty sure Bravo brought the can of whoop ass, two of us rolled over all you alphas all weekend and never lost a single firefight, and also I heard from someone on your team that you alpha players were too scared to fight us when you had 8 on 2

[Dominum]

we continued moving and captured all the bravo players in their HQ, and walked them back as far as the 10mins would allow.

You only thought you killed and captured them all...


Yeah, Dom's techincal was unfair, he should have been able to be shot from outside the technical.

So, you would have preferred that you not only had twice as much armor as us, but that your's be impervious to small arms while ours was not? Come on man, you already had 33 to our 28 and 2 armored vehicles to our 1, allowing our armor the same immunity to small arms still didn't get us close to parity.

Dom was an Engineer or whatever and was able to deploy IED's or RPG's from his Technical, I can't blame him; if there are rules to exploit I expect him to be the first to do it.

How is that an exploit exactly? The rules were that any AT gunner (I was literally the only person on my entire faction that brought any AT of any kind, so naturally I was an AT gunner) was the only one that could place or move mines. I did exactly that, I'm not sure how you call it an exploit... I was legitimately AT and I placed and removed mines just like the rules said I could. That being said, I had to tell your team mates no less than four times to STOP MOVING MINES because they were not AT gunners. I'd also like to point out that you are saying I exploit rules when you are the one that demanded we count an AT hit from the out of play civilian vehicle of an out of play photographer, neither of which were in game and were not allowed to be fired at or to participate in combat. Additionally, the only reason I ever got in the technical in the first place is because Cleric made Fallout his XO because he could not be captured in a tank, so to rectify the imbalance in vulnerabilities I put myself in a vehicle.

Garrett, I am not sure how they have the four cards when I have all but two of them...

Regardless, huge kudos to all of Bravo! We had 28 at the start of the game, with one vehicle; up against 33 and two armored vehicles. We managed to maintain control of the majority of the field the ENTIRE game at EVERY check in, additionally we completed every special objective except for the jug objective, which was the objective that was not properly disseminated and caused us not to know what was going on with it until too late. I'm not sure what the deal is with the DMR/Sniper cards but neither of the two DMs/Snipers we had ever turned any in to me. Also, since I had all but two of our cards returned at the end of the game I have no idea how Alpha obtained four. In any case, this was BY FAR the BEST performance of Bravo at an OP 24 EVER! Congratulations guys, you all did any excellent job!

To Cleric and his fine men, you did outstanding as well! Thank you for the excellent fight and skillful play you all exhibited!

As far as this thread and the allegations made concerning it, I am looking into them now.

According to multiple moderators, Echo1Operator was issued a 24hr temp ban and some of his posts were removed. Both of these actions were taken on the grounds that they violated one or more of Rules #1, 3, 5. I will review the posts themselves to see if they did in fact violate these rules and if the action was warranted.

According to Garrett and the other staff at OP24 4, you neither attended chrono nor registered and paid. I have yet to review the evidence myself.

Since the party involved wishes to make this matter public, I have no problem with making my investigation and response public as well. I was not present for the exchange and as yet have very little understanding of what happened. Echo1Operator, please PM me your side of the story along with your corroborating evidence to show that your allegations are true. I will seek the same from your counterpart(s). I take these issues seriously and I will review the statements and facts from both sides to the best of my ability.

I would like to know why this player was banned. Normally it goes through a chain of command and is brought and put forward infront of the AOSC isnt it?

Felix, your statement demonstrates that you have not read our forum rules, please do so. In the future, please bear in mind that jumping to conclusions based on a false premise because you are upset doesn't do you, or this organization, any good.

I ask that ALL the parties involved send me all pertinent information so that I can investigate this matter further. I consider myself a friend of every person involved, and will do my best to act as a rational third party (that's my job anyway).

Meanwhile, if anyone would like to continue actually discussing the game that would be great. Please do not post here to stir the pot based on some hearsay.

[Dominum]

I know for a fact that Echo 1 Operator paid the field fee, he did nothing wrong and did not deserve this ban, you people need to get your act together or find new reps.

He got a 24 hr temp ban for violating forums rules, it had nothing to do with the allegations about him not paying the field fee. That issue is currently under review, please submit any information you have about it. Making allegations about false bans on false premises doesn't help anything.

[Dominum]

I would like to know why this player was banned. Normally it goes through a chain of command and is brought and put forward infront of the AOSC isnt it?

I second this,

Then you need to reread the forum rules.

and the SCAA = AOSC point is getting more and more valid...

just saying I can pretty much match up perfectly certain mod/reps on the AOSC to certain mod/reps on the SCAA, espectially if they are banning people because they express their opinion and certain people do not like what they have to say.

According to the moderator(s) in question, he did much more than state something. I am reviewing this right now. If a mod is deleting and banning because he doesn't like what someone says, that is not OK. However, deleting and banning because of HOW someone says it is exactly what we are supposed to do if it does in fact violate rules.

I will say this this whole not dying not calling hit thing was dealt with very childishly. Post deleting, unthought out replies posted out of anger, then trying to drag other people into the whole ordeal to try to prove how honorable or not honorable you are. I am not just referring to one person either.

This whole thing could have been handled better, PM's are really where things like this are supposed to be dealt with.

As for the personal jabs at E1 like the field fee thing, that was low and uncalled for, and Hatch hit the nail on the head with his post.

It is not low to assert that he did not pay the field fee when there is no record of him paying it and no waiver with his name on it. As of right now, I have no idea whether he did or did not, however there seems to be a reason to make that assertion. Stop attempting to be the arbiter of who is in the right and who is in the wrong. You do not have all the facts, and neither do I. Help me get them so we can resolve this instead of further stirring the pot.

[Dominum]

Good lord people, stop jumping on this bandwagon and get your facts straight. I don't know who did what exactly, why they did it, or who is in the right and who is in the wrong. I'm not passing any judgement on anyone until I have more facts. What I DO know is that a bunch of people jumping on a bandwagon supported by misconceptions, false premises, and partial information is making them look rash and harming people's ability to assess the situation. If you have something to add, add it, but don't spew crap out of your mouth (no matter who you are). Everyone calm down and let's deal with the facts. Anyone and everyone who would like to see this resolved, please PM me anything RELEVANT you have to add. Thank you.

[Star_folder]

I have nothing to add.

Dom, my AAR post was longer than yours. I win.

[Dominum]

Wow, and I even added a bunch of random crap to it too! Bravo good sir, bravo.

[Felix]

Wow, and I even added a bunch of random crap to it too! Bravo good sir, bravo.

No, its Alpha good sir, Alpha. XD

[Matthews]

Let's all just calm down people...
Remember we are arguing over the internet about someone's exclusion from a forum where others like to assert imaginary authority.

I have been "Banned" in the passed, in fact "Permabanned"... which is to say I was Banned Permanently!
Can we just let it go, It's a house of cards. Call it the SCAA, the AOSC, the NCAO whatever you like... but in the end it's sole purpose is the dissemination of information in regards to local airsoft.

Sure it gets political at times and there will be the occassional abuse of power, but isn't that normal?
If we don't like it we have a few options, boycott future games organized by certain individuals or take it to PM or leave the forum altogether.

It's nothing personal, and does not need to be.
-This post is directed at every member and no singular individual

[Felix]

I would like to know why this player was banned. Normally it goes through a chain of command and is brought and put forward infront of the AOSC isnt it?

I do want to go ahead and say I was incorrect about this, and I apologize.
need to catch up on my reading..

[Dominum]

No problem, everyone tends to get a bit upset when stuff like this comes up. Thank you for your well reasoned response. So far I have received several PMs from people attempting to help me calmly resolve this issue. Please rest assured everything is being looked into thoroughly.

[CLERIC]

Alrighty then , let me get a few thing straight, 1. I personally have nothing agianst E1 op . I do not know him personally, I have only seen his post , so if I saw him on the street, I wouldnt know who he is. I have heard from several people that in person he is a cool guy, but does like to post random ,off topic things . So this is not a personal attack , at lest on my part,I can not speak for anyone but myself. So , that being said I will be the first to say , that some of my post may have been out of line , more on that later .

2. I understand some of his frustration, But where I got upset, and call me human for this , but when he said I purposley cheated. I took offense to that, because in No Way do I cheat. That being said It may have been a poor choice of words on E1 op part. I can accept that if he had ment it as not a personal attack but ment " he was hit, but for what ever reason did not call his hits" . Because when you say I cheated , that means I on purpose did not call my hits. I have never done this nor condone it in any capacity. This is my version" I came around the corner and saw two guys , not with their guns drawn ,but standing there, I even started to speak thinking they were alpha players, but then they started to raise their guns I relized these were not friendlys. So I turned to run, never hearing a shot fired. I ran in a zig zag pattern, trying to avoid getting shot in the back. Now if that did happen ,I did not hear or feel it.Plus if they had yelled at me saying something along the lines of "Call your hits or Hey I hit you! ". I would have stopped and put on my dead rag on. I say this Because this has happened before , by Dom, and with out hesitation I called my self out . So if this had happened, I would have done the same . I AM NOT IN ANYWAY ABOVE THE RULES. Anybody who has said "Hey I hit you" , I have never argued to that point. I then went around the corner and jumped in a building to call in reenforcements. I went back and saw that Crazy was hit , healed him, and both of us took a diffrent way around. while going that way we got shot and I called it . Crazy ducked and after the shots stopped came over and medic me . While shot I got a radio call, and clearly stated that I was Hit and could not talk.

Later after I heard that Hatch was saying he hit me, Im found him in the parking lot, around 6. ANd explained my view of the situation, he stated thateverything was cool and no problem. I thought the was subject was cleared up and dropped . Sun night I got on here and saw the post game chat, At first , I got mad and upset and reacted in a emotional way instead of a proper way, = level head. And for that I Humbly do apoligize to E1 Op, That was wrong on my part and did not intentally mean to get in a pissing match. So please accept my apollogy .

As far as Banning him , I had nothing to do with that , but the rep who did it , gave evidence of a rule violation, So I do support him in that.
As in the not paying thing , I have no opinion on that cause I dont know who E1 Op is ,and can not tell you if he was even at the game at all. I even asked some of the other reps was he there? Cause I dont know what he looks like . SO , I cant say if he was or wasnt. BUT if a fellow rep says he doesnt recall him, I can only take him at his word, WHICH Garrett has proven to be honest and fair.

On the deleting of post, I did some of the thread cleaning, because I felt that it clogged up the purpose of this thread , 'POSTGAME CHAT" not a place for a battle royal of egos and hot tempers.So I deleated all post that I thought were doing this . I even deleated some of my own, because I was wrong and went off topic. If I had not , Im pretty sure one of the other reps/mods would, and actually they did !

So whats my point ? I was wrong in the way I handled myself, I dont know E1 op, nor do I dis like him. He may be a cool guy if I got to know him. I did not cheat,meaning not calling hits on purpose. They may have hit me , I just did not know or realize it . Which is two diffrent things .

But before everybody gets allupset and bent out of shape , because all of our friends in some way are involved. Lets just remember, there are 3 ways to look at this: HIS(person A), MINE(person B), and THE TRUTH. not meaning me personally, or E1 Op, but as a example . If I have confused anybody , offended, or just plain ole pissed them off, please please PM me and lets talk, not post it here, for the world to see,because we do have new and young players reading and watching these forums , and We all may sink this ship and go down together. because they are the future of our sport, which I think we all can agree we Love so much - AIRSOFT !